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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
Apr 19, 2006 (5:01 pm)
"I just saw pix of the new Camry. Looks pretty nice, except I don't care for the nose.
It does look like the new Camry copied the rear of the Sonata in the pictures I saw, except the Camry only had single exhaust like the 4 cyl Sonata."
Honestly i don't think car companies who want to be legit care about copying other car companies. When the sonata came out, do you think toyota had time to develop a new tailight style?? same goes for hyundai when the accord came out 2002 and the 2006 sonata was in development since 2001. A differently styled tailights could believe or not affect the whole design elament of the car.
If i want to be childish i could just say if it weren't for ford, cars wouldn't exist anyways, so all cars after are a copy since it has a body and 4 wheels, lets get real now
#2562 of 12297 Re: bmr59 [choe13]
Apr 19, 2006 (5:12 pm)
Perhaps my spoof of all those who accused the Sonata of copying the Accord rear end went over some heads!
#2563 of 12297 Re: The sonatas styling = part audi a6 part this [backy]
Apr 19, 2006 (5:14 pm)
I don't think anyone's mentioned the new Camry's tail lights. Sure looks like a homolgation-copy of the previous generation Accord's and 2006 Sonata's. They certainly aren't original either. And, only a mother could love the front end of the new Camry. It will grow on us, sure, but it's still ugly.
Except for the rear, the Sonata doesn't resemble the Accord at all, especially the massive and sloping hood of the Accord. As it's supposed to be, it resembles the Audi A6, especially front the side, as well as the Passat from the side - which in my opinion is far superior of a design that either an Accord or Camry.
#2564 of 12297 Re: kdspyder [alpha01]
Apr 19, 2006 (5:24 pm)
That was in the past--what are Sonata's fleet sales now? Also, the incentives on the Sonata have been significantly reduced since the article you reference was published. Do you have up-to-date info on how the Sonata's incentives compare now to the industry average? Now, the max incentive on the 4-cylinder Sonatas is $1000 (down from $2500), and that's only if you are a Hyundai owner. The max incentive on the 6-cylinder models is $2500 now, down from $3000 (take off another $500 if not a Hyundai owner).
Maybe when the 2007 models come out in the near future, you will get a chance to see the car sell itself based on its inherent goodness. I expect incentives for the '07s, especially the V6s, will decrease.
#2565 of 12297 Re: The sonatas styling = part audi a6 part this [cal_cal]
Apr 19, 2006 (5:32 pm)
I see more A6 than anything (if I had to choose a model to compare to). By the way, Sonata's design froze before the Accord came out so copying is all but out of question. By the way, the A6 came about because Hyundai literally took apart an A6 modeled after (not copying).
Let's move on and discuss merits of these cars.
#2566 of 12297 Re: The sonatas styling = part audi a6 part this [elroy5]
Apr 19, 2006 (5:40 pm)
How are they holding up after 5 years? 5-1/2 years and my '01 Elantra GLS is still going strong--looks and rides like new, very reliable. It's been such a great car that I hate selling it to my sister, but I know she is getting a fine car. Over its first two years, my '04 Elantra has been the most reliable car I've every owned. No mechanical problems, just a cloudy headlight cover replaced under warranty.
And the '06 Sonata is light years ahead of the '01-'06 Elantra.
#2567 of 12297 Re: no offense [choe13]
Apr 19, 2006 (6:02 pm)
Basically lets put it this way, the accord is hurting right now, and i think i can sense some jealously. =]
"That's a darned impressive feat and speaks to how well designed and engineered the 3-year-old car was when it was introduced, and remains so to this day." - Edmunds
The Accord is aging gracefully down the rankings
#2568 of 12297 Plagarizing can be dangerous...
Apr 19, 2006 (6:09 pm)
...that was C/Ds verdict on the Infiniti G35 in their recent comparo!
#2569 of 12297 Re: Plagarizing can be dangerous... [alpha01]
Apr 19, 2006 (6:12 pm)
And it applies to the Accord to (IMO)!
I really want to see how the Accord will hold up against the new Altima and Camry. I hope C&D comes out with another comparison.
#2570 of 12297 Re: kdspyder [backy]
Apr 19, 2006 (6:18 pm)
That article was published about a month ago, you make it sound as if I was citing something from the last generation of Sonata. IIRC, it also represented CYTD figures, so even if Fleet and Incentives were at ZERO for the past 30 days (highly doubtful), the impact may or may not be signficant.
Did anyone bookmark that article? I thought I had, but can't find it and don't have a bunch of time to search through back posts????