Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 12:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#12291 of 12297 Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [jeffyscott]
Feb 19, 2007 (9:40 am)
if you understand that ESC can and will apply brakes, disable throttle, and/or shift tranny gears for you then perhaps you can explain to me how it improves anything relative to a car's handling capabilities - given that it must be set to activate at some level lower than the car's actual dynamic limits. In the specific condition of driving on let's say snow covered roads, there are times that you MUST be able to maintain momentum, often at the very outside edge of vehicle control, something any ESC system worth its salt would likely interefere with, and the reason I say that ESC is more likely to 'get in the way' on those kind of roads. All that said, there is no question that ESC (or whatever acronym) will save lives primarily by stepping in to prevent the driver from exceeding whatever the computer thinks is the car's limits - and ONLY IF folks that buy these things understand that these 'nannies' don't improve anything, they only protect them from themselves. I would further suggest to you that if you have been driving your VW and you haven't felt any ESC interference, then that is more of an indication of how well the VW system, in particular, is calibrated and/or your lane change was not nearly as abrupt as what you thought it was.
ABS, incidentally, much the same type of tradeoff - you don't improve braking distances by letting off the brakes (electronically or otherwise), but you do improve control and therefore a reasonable sacrifice.
#12294 of 12297 Re: Saturn - What Exactly Does It Stand For? 
Feb 19, 2007 (9:48 am)
"The new Altima with automatic tranny isnt faster than the Aura. Only the Camy V6 is faster than Aura V6 unless you count manual transmission V6 sedans in this class. "
I think your wrong here.. Motor Trend clocked the Aura V6 at 7.2 0-60, I believe the new Altima is in the 6.8 range hanging right with the Camry V6. And I'll ad, .2 seconds faster than the Fusion
#12296 of 12297 Time out
Feb 19, 2007 (10:02 am)
Unfortunately, I've had to remove some more inappropriate posts.
The purpose of this discussion is and always has been to compare the features and the attributes of the subject vehicles with an eye towards helping folks make a purchase decision - after all, that's what Edmunds CarSpace is all about.
Too many of you seem to believe that the purpose of the discussion is to stomp all over others just because their opinions, needs and values are different than yours. The chest-beating and sand-in-the-face-kicking is preventing us from having any productive comparison conversations.
We're closing up shop, at least for now.
#12297 of 12297 New discussion
Apr 13, 2007 (12:55 pm)
Interested in a kinder, gentler version of this topic? (One with a thousand points of light?? Um, never mind that part. )
Check out Midsize Sedans 2.0. Come one, come all, but let's all agree to leave the weapons outside the park.