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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan

#12285 of 12297 Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [akirby] by 03accordman Feb 19, 2007 (8:29 am)
Replying to: akirby (Feb 19, 2007 8:19 am) "So why did Ford hire C&D to run the test? Why didn't they just run their own test? That would have been cheaper. No car magazine would ever run this type of test (with 600 regular drivers) so how is Ford supposed to get this kind of real world test without paying for it? As long as the participants aren't paid it's a perfectly valid test."   Ford hired CD to try and get some sort of credibility for the test, which in the end id did not achieve, apart from Ford fans, for whom it was not even needed. It may be valif to you, but not to people looking for honest reviews. Conflict of interest ring a bell?   I would like to see your comments if Honda or Toyota did a similar test, where their product won. Actually, you don't even give any credibility to CD for picking the Accord time and again or MT for picking the Camry, so I guess I know the answer to that.
#12286 of 12297 Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [akirby] by neteng101 Feb 19, 2007 (8:29 am)
Replying to: akirby (Feb 19, 2007 8:19 am) Its not a real world test when cars go around in a small set circuit. Driving a set stretch of roads that simulate various real world driving conditions is much closer to the real world. The testing methodology employed by the Fusion Challenge is flawed.
#12287 of 12297 Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [akirby] by 03accordman Feb 19, 2007 (8:31 am)
Replying to: akirby (Feb 19, 2007 6:55 am) "And the difference in the Fusion Challenge vs. all of the other media tests? This one was decided by regular drivers and vehicle owners, not by automotive journalists trying to sell magazines."   There you go. So to sell mags, CD or other publications are biased and pick market leaders, but Ford's paid event is unbaised, right? You are just tyring to gain some propaganda derived credibility for the event, by saying calling it a 'real world event.'
#12289 of 12297 Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [scape2] by 03accordman Feb 19, 2007 (8:34 am)
Replying to: scape2 (Feb 18, 2007 6:01 pm) "I just don't understand why it is so hard to believe a Ford could actually win something.."   Because it is an informercial, ones you see on TV late night, not a comparison test.   Magazines/Media have given good ratings to the Fusion; including 2nd position in many comparos; and I would rate this positive feedback much, much more that the Fusion infomercial
#12291 of 12297 Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [jeffyscott] by captain2 Feb 19, 2007 (8:40 am)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Feb 19, 2007 8:15 am) if you understand that ESC can and will apply brakes, disable throttle, and/or shift tranny gears for you then perhaps you can explain to me how it improves anything relative to a car's handling capabilities - given that it must be set to activate at some level lower than the car's actual dynamic limits. In the specific condition of driving on let's say snow covered roads, there are times that you MUST be able to maintain momentum, often at the very outside edge of vehicle control, something any ESC system worth its salt would likely interefere with, and the reason I say that ESC is more likely to 'get in the way' on those kind of roads. All that said, there is no question that ESC (or whatever acronym) will save lives primarily by stepping in to prevent the driver from exceeding whatever the computer thinks is the car's limits - and ONLY IF folks that buy these things understand that these 'nannies' don't improve anything, they only protect them from themselves. I would further suggest to you that if you have been driving your VW and you haven't felt any ESC interference, then that is more of an indication of how well the VW system, in particular, is calibrated and/or your lane change was not nearly as abrupt as what you thought it was. ABS, incidentally, much the same type of tradeoff - you don't improve braking distances by letting off the brakes (electronically or otherwise), but you do improve control and therefore a reasonable sacrifice.
#12294 of 12297 Re: Saturn - What Exactly Does It Stand For? [1487] by scape2 Feb 19, 2007 (8:48 am)
Replying to: 1487 (Feb 16, 2007 8:12 am) "The new Altima with automatic tranny isnt faster than the Aura. Only the Camy V6 is faster than Aura V6 unless you count manual transmission V6 sedans in this class. "   I think your wrong here.. Motor Trend clocked the Aura V6 at 7.2 0-60, I believe the new Altima is in the 6.8 range hanging right with the Camry V6. And I'll ad, .2 seconds faster than the Fusion

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