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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [captain2]
by explorerx4
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Feb 17, 2007 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 17, 2007 2:00 pm)
my view is ford has a product with a handling advantage and showed it off. it was able to negotiate the course better than the others, eventhough they have more horsepower and a stability control system.
toyota has a commerical for their new truck that demonstrates it accelerating to 60 quicker than 4 competitors. i like it a lot better than the one that say 'the average truck has x, we have x+1'. that may or may not mean anything in the real world.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [explorerx4]
by captain2
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Feb 17, 2007 (6:07 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Feb 17, 2007 4:08 pm)
eventhough they have more horsepower and a stability control system.
you don't seem to understand, laying out the course in a particular manner can (and did) negate any horsepower advantage (and probably also prevented the participants from experiencing that wonderful meat grinder that the Ford engine is) and a stability control system will do nothing but get in the way on an open track course like this. A good poker cheat can arrange to get 4 aces every time.
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- #12234 of 12297
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [captain2]
by explorerx4
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Feb 17, 2007 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 17, 2007 6:07 pm)
my thinking is that better handling is more important than more horsepower. are you saying stability control is useless on dry pavement? i would think it was working during the test, and those vehicles would have done worse without it. i am also sure there is some fuel efficiency price to be paid for awd, though.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [explorerx4]
by m1miata
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Feb 17, 2007 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Feb 17, 2007 6:22 pm)
I don't think so. Stability control, like on the Camry, which comes on quickly, as in error on the side of safety will slow down the test results. It can not be turned off on the Camry, so slalom test scores may be lower than other cars. It may show lower skid pad results. That said, driven normally and not on the edge control loss, you may not know that there was a stability control on the Camry. Some little, yet wide tracked cars, like the Mini Cooper, I am sure can out slalom say the Porsche (no I did not check - best guess). Doesn't mean the Porsche is not a great handling car and will not dust the little guy on the race track. Have not seen the test track Ford set up, but I would imagine the shorter wheelbase to width + lower car came out on top. If it is shorter track HP indeed will not matter. Actually a go cart may be the winner here. Anyway, the Stability Nanny is for safety and not for better test results, though some advanced, and expensive cars, like the Porsche have it and it will work well at high speed cornering. Not sure what would happen though on slower speed slalom runs. As for getting a car with AWD, I would go Subaru over getting the Ford -- personal preference.
-Loren
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [m1miata]
by explorerx4
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Feb 17, 2007 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Feb 17, 2007 7:04 pm)
any post that mentions a mini cooper, porsche and a go kart, only reinforces the handling capabilites of the awd fusion vs the cam/cords.
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- #12237 of 12297
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [explorerx4]
by m1miata
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Feb 17, 2007 (9:48 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Feb 17, 2007 7:13 pm)
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [m1miata]
by pat HOST
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Feb 18, 2007 (2:24 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Feb 17, 2007 7:04 pm)
Let's please stick to the midsize sedans here.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [explorerx4]
by elroy5
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Feb 18, 2007 (3:03 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Feb 17, 2007 7:13 pm)
So the fact that the only comparison test that the Fusion won, was a very limited test, that Ford paid for, doesn't smell a little fishy to you? Smells like a Seafood restaurant's dumpster, to me.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [explorerx4]
by captain2
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Feb 18, 2007 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Feb 17, 2007 7:13 pm)
to answer your earlier question, I never said SC was useless, all I said was that it doesn't improve anything and may even inhibit performance in track conditions. m1miats's explanation is right on the mark. Nobody ever said Ford was dumb, it is to the Fusion's advantage that an AWD vehicle without SC is compared against 2WD cars with the system.The Fusions do BTW have an intelligently designed suspensions etc. thanks to Mazda's continued expertise in that area - but both cars do continue to be infected by Ford's inability to build even a passable small engine.
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Re: Ford Fusion Challenge [captain2]
by jml7
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Feb 18, 2007 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 18, 2007 4:33 am)
I agree with you, especially on the engine part, as the Fusion's base I4 is the 2.3 Liter ported over from Mazda.
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