Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 11:55 AM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#12149 of 12297 Survey. more, more, more
Feb 15, 2007 (2:31 pm)
I'm glad we have the information from this survey but want more, more, more! I agree that Consumer Reports provides more information about the problem areas and is therefore a more useful survey. CR breaks down the information by model (Mazda3, Mazda6, Miata ...) and year. For example, even if Mazda rates among the most troublefree brands, it would be interesting to know what specific trouble spots to check in a 2004 Mazda3 prior to purchase.
#12150 of 12297 Re: Saturn - What Exactly Does It Stand For? [lilengineerboy]
Feb 15, 2007 (2:31 pm)
I personally don't think the lack of a 4 cylinder will matter in the purchase decision for an Aura.
I know I'm just one consumer of a midsize sedan, but it would certainly save me a trip to the Saturn dealer by learning of no 4-cylinder option.
#12151 of 12297 Re: Another Reliability Survey [pat]
Feb 15, 2007 (2:36 pm)
but if you do want a good idea of how much (not necessarily how often) you might expect to spend keeping a car running relative to a different one, the extended warranty prices will give you a good idea of what to avoid. It could be a combination of frequency and/or parts costs though. In any case, rest assured that Warranty Direct (or whoever), is spending less than what they pay out regardless of what percentage of buyers make claims on their purchase.
#12152 of 12297 Re: Another Reliability Survey [pat]
Feb 15, 2007 (2:43 pm)
The warranty direct data that I linked did break down problem rates by categories such as heating/cooling system, engine, transmission. Not sure this helps all that much as my leaking transmission thingy cover that cost $200 counts the same as your $4000 transmission replacement.
In the UK data they do weight based on cost. This data shows things like toyota having a low problem rate but the cost per problem is high.
Edmunds specifically gives anticipated repair costs in their TCO. I have also compared costs of extended warranty from the same source (my credit union) on various models and the prices do vary, but not by as much as people's impressions of reliability differences seems to.
For example a VW was about $1500 while a Honda was about $1000 for the same warranty. I would not choose one car over another based on a difference of $500 in expected repair costs over 7 years or 100,000 miles.
What I get out of all these various bits of info is that there is not all that much variation anymore. Particularly when you look at costs rather than rates of problems. With a few exceptions (Jaguar comes to mind) it just does not make all that much difference which car you buy, they are just about all pretty reliable these days.
#12153 of 12297 Re: Another Reliability Survey [jeffyscott]
Feb 15, 2007 (3:03 pm)
and likewise frmom just a financial point of view, if you can assume that a Fusion for example costs half as much to fix as a Toyota (probably an overstatement) but the extended warranty cost is the same - it is also logical to assume that the Fusion must be in the shop twice as much.
#12154 of 12297 Re: Saturn - What Exactly Does It Stand For? [lilengineerboy]
Feb 15, 2007 (3:45 pm)
Its not about market share, its about profit per car.
How are they going to make profits when they're already starting all the discounting so early into the year? Instead of building 5 mid-sized sedans - Malibu, CTS, Lacrosse, G6, Aura, they should focus their engineering on building 2 kick ass cars, one mainstream, one luxury and sell them like hotcakes. Too many product lines means more parts and different factories, etc... higher overheads. There's a huge advantage to streamlining their lineup to the two tier model that's so successful for cars as shown by Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infiniti.
#12155 of 12297 Re: Another Reliability Survey [thegraduate]
Feb 15, 2007 (4:32 pm)
i'm amazed you would post anything to do with top gear, they don't think much of your state.
#12156 of 12297 Re: Another Reliability Survey [captain2]
Feb 15, 2007 (4:53 pm)
it is also logical to assume that the Fusion must be in the shop twice as much.
Perhaps, but sometimes you can get multiple things fixed in one trip other times the problems are taken care of during a regular maintenance trip.
#12157 of 12297 Re: Another Reliability Survey [captain2]
Feb 15, 2007 (5:04 pm)
Toyota parts are not really expensive. Now Volvo and BMW = Whoa!
I had a Stealth for a few years; Mitsubishi parts are a bit pricey in my view. Expensive though usually falls into the German and Swedish cars realm.
#12158 of 12297 Re: Saturn - What Exactly Does It Stand For? [thegraduate]
Feb 15, 2007 (5:11 pm)
The Aura is pretty heavy. The 3.5 V6 is a cheaper option to power the weight, which it does for decent 0-60 of around 7.5 seconds. The four cylinder would not seem right in this particular car. I guess they could turbo the thing. Test drove the 3.6 V6 today, and it is a rocket! Very powerful, and pretty smooth engine. Sounds good too. Adds $4K to the bill, and you get a couple other things, such as stability control.
I understand the Malibu will have a four cylinder. If the weight is the same as an Aura, less the i4 vs. v6 weigh in difference and it has an automatic, it will not move out too well. The 3.5 is a better choice, and the 3.6 fills the need for speed urge.