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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan


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Re: NIssan Altima Tops Consumer Reports [jeffyscott] by lilengineerboy
Feb 03, 2007 (8:29 pm)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Feb 03, 2007 6:59 am)

I actually much prefer the 1990-1993 Accord to the 1994-199(6 or 7?) in every way. I have spent a lot of time with both and in terms of driving dynamics, visibility, comfort, etc I prefer the earlier version. The 94-97 felt like a blob.
 
I looked at the 98-'02 version before a purchase in 1998/9 and I ended up with something that better met my needs/wants.
 
In 2005 we went to look at the '03-05 style and it felt more elegant than the last 94-02 but still less fun to drive than the 90-93. Again, there was another vehicle that better met our needs.
 
In the market again, the Accord is the same bland self, the Altima looks nice but buying a French car in its first year is double asking for it, IMO, I don't care for the Camry styling, and new stuff from everyone else will be out next year. Maybe the old car has another year and I'm not so in the market after all.
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Re: NIssan Altima Tops Consumer Reports [lilengineerboy] by elroy5
Feb 03, 2007 (9:19 pm)

Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 03, 2007 8:29 pm)

I actually much prefer the 1990-1993 Accord to the 1994-199(6 or 7?) in every way.
 
The handling was the best ever (90-93). In 94 they had to make the car larger, and heavier, to accomodate the newly available V6 engine. In 92 the Accord was too small for a V6, now it seems to be too large for the I4 IMO.
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Re: Comparing average slalom speeds (V6) [elroy5] by stevehecht
Feb 03, 2007 (9:43 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Feb 03, 2007 6:17 pm)

I've brought this same topic up on VwVortex (The Car Lounge) and the consensus there seems to be that slalom speed and road handling capability do not equate. I'm no techie and I don't understand why that is but the example was given as to how a Mini can outperform a Ferrari on the slalom but there's no way it handles better on the road. (The Mini is a lot smaller and more nimble than the Ferrari.) But that still doesn't explain to my satisfaction how/why the Accord outperforms the Mazda6 on the slalom.
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Re: Comparing average slalom speeds (V6) [stevehecht] by elroy5
Feb 03, 2007 (10:17 pm)

Replying to: stevehecht (Feb 03, 2007 9:43 pm)

It's all about spring rates, and suspension geometry. A suspension can be soft (not a lot of feel), but tighten significantly as it is compressed (some more than others). Honda has been making suspensions for Motorcycles for a long time, and have the dampening down to a science. They have to be pretty good at spring rates, to make something as light as a motorcycle ride smooth.
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Re: Bland vs Elegant [swhitehorn] by thegraduate
Feb 03, 2007 (11:34 pm)

Replying to: swhitehorn (Feb 03, 2007 4:08 pm)

Nissan, on the other hand, has redefined the midsize sedan styling envelope, adding an air of elegance and distinction that did not exist before. That's why Altima sales have increased dramatically in the last five years, since the '02 redesign. For example, the frumpy '01 Altima was not even in the top 10 for car sales in the US. As of last year, the '06 Altima has climbed to #4 in domestic car sales.
 
I would attribute more of the increase to the fact that the car changed size classes (compact to a solid, grown-up midsize), and added a 240 horsepower V6 (something unmatched in 2002), as well as a more powerful 4-cylinder engine. The Altima became a competitor with the big boys, like the Maxima used to be back in the late 90s, early 00s. Now the Maxima takes on the full-size crowd, and the Altima hits the meat of the midsizers. I don't think the styling is particularly dazzling on the Altima, Camry, OR Accord, but since we're talking taillights lately, I'll say I would MUCH rather have the LED brakelamps on the Accord over the mirrored "aftermarket" looking taillamps on Fusion or Altima.
 
Its personal preference though, neither of us is really "wrong." How's that for being PC?
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Altima versus Accord by benderofbows
Feb 04, 2007 (7:06 am)
I am also of the opinion that the styling of the current Accord will age better than the syling of new Altima sedan.
 
Remember back a few years ago when those "black-out" or "smoke lense" head light and tail light covers were very popular as aftermarket add-ons? You don't see many of those anymore, that trend was pretty much replaced by xenon or HID head lamps and the new clear, mirrored Euro-syle "Altezza" tail lights as the more popular aftermarket visual enhancements.
 
Will the new lights still be as trendy and fashionable in 5 or 10 years? Or will they look very dated, like the black-out covers look now?
 

 

 
Notice that it looks like Nissan will use different tail lights on the upcoming Altima Coupe? I like these tail lights much better.
 

 

 
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Re: Bland vs Elegant [thegraduate] by mf15
Feb 04, 2007 (7:35 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 03, 2007 11:34 pm)

The other main reason Altima sales where high is the 1500 rebate that you could get for many years,which resulted in the final price about 1500 below invoice. My son has an 05
Se V6 which he got for about 22000. Nisson has announced that it will not try and sell cars with heavy rebates, but the 07 Max now has a 1500 rebate. When all the 06 altimas are gone watch 07 altima sales if they drop then the rebates might start. THe 07 Altima priceing for the V6's is quite high when you start adding options, perhaps way too high. My Jeep lease is up in August, and I might want an 07 Altima but now might have to wait for the 08 Accord. Old Mike
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Re: Bland vs Elegant [mf15] by neteng101
Feb 04, 2007 (8:09 am)

Replying to: mf15 (Feb 04, 2007 7:35 am)

The V6 Altima is so expensive that I could see more people just opting for a Maxima at that point. And now a Sentra looks like a half Altima, which I think just waters down the Altima lineup some. The tails on the Altima are not to my taste but still a billion times better than the ones of the Fusion IMO.
 
Nissan styling doesn't seem to last the test of time... the older Altimas look bleh now. The initial G35 and G35 coupe looks just as bland nowadays. I think the Altima coupe's lines are going to grow old faster than the sedan.
 
The Accord coupes need a big bold step forward though - which seems to be what Honda is doing for the next model. The current Accord sedans are much better looking that the coupes to me. Though I wouldn't complain if Honda ditches the Accord coupe totally and brought the Prelude back.
 
One of the reasons I never looked at the new Altima though is the CVT only now... curious to hear what people think of this CVT. I think Nissan probably has one of the best CVTs out there now, but still, I like the feel of gear changes and engines revving up.
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Re: Bland vs Elegant [neteng101] by lilengineerboy
Feb 04, 2007 (9:18 am)

Replying to: neteng101 (Feb 04, 2007 8:09 am)

One of the reasons I never looked at the new Altima though is the CVT only now... curious to hear what people think of this CVT. I think Nissan probably has one of the best CVTs out there now, but still, I like the feel of gear changes and engines revving up.
 
Actually the base transmission is a wonderful 6 speed manual. Thats the main reason this car gets to stay on the list and why I don't see it as a direct competitor to the Maxima which is Slushie only (and generally too big for me). We will see if I wait another year or not.
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Re: Comparing average slalom speeds (V6) [elroy5] by captain2
Feb 04, 2007 (11:32 am)

Replying to: elroy5 (Feb 03, 2007 6:17 pm)

well, it may be that the tested Accord had neither stability or traction control, I believe it not even available on the lower trims lines. But, that said, the Accord is not (nor never has been) a slouch in the handling dept.. Yes, softness (ride) generally equates to sloppier handling and hardness something a little better, but there is more to it than that. The American buyer has shown a history to prefer the former to the latter.

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