Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 11:55 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#10999 of 12297 Ford's financials
Jan 25, 2007 (3:52 pm)
Ford's disclosure of its $12.7 billion loss for 2006 could put a big hrut on the R&D expenditures for upcoming years. With sales down and creditors not likely to lend Ford much money at better than junk rates, where's the money gonna come from to finance the huge price tag for R&D, the lifeline for the company's future.
A viscious cycle. Ford's unlikely to issue new stock to raise money. It appears the only way to do it is to cut the company in half or less.
The Fusion needs some tweaks. Where's that money gonna come from?
#11000 of 12297 Re: Ford's financials [leadfoot6]
Jan 25, 2007 (3:57 pm)
For the "where's that money gonna come from?" discussion, please visit the relevant topics over on the Automotive News & Views board.
The last time we got into the ins and outs of manufacturer quality here we ended up with an extended free-for-all that got the discussion shut down.
The features and attributes of the cars fitting the criteria are the topic here, please. Manufacturer issues can be debated in the appropriate place, of which this is not one. See the link posted in the beginning of this post.
#11001 of 12297 Re: Ford's financials [pat]
Jan 25, 2007 (5:56 pm)
Wow - a whole nother board I was unaware of. Thanks.
#11002 of 12297 Re: First Name Basis: sometimes is not a good thing .. [jimmy81]
Jan 25, 2007 (6:07 pm)
The lower sales figures were projected weeks before December. Check the autochannel for news.
First some people trashed Sonata due to it's fleet sales numbers. Now, you and some are trashing Sonata because Hyundai decided to reduce fleet sales. Yes, lower sales are lower sales. Look at Ford; after posting record losses of over $12B, is planning on lower sales to improve its bottom line.
There was no "silly reasoning spin" about Sonata's reduced sales. It was planned by Hyundai. Agree or disagree with that decision, but that is what they planned.
#11003 of 12297 Re: Um... [ontop]
Jan 25, 2007 (6:37 pm)
Ever heard of torque?
#11004 of 12297 Re: Um... [captain2]
Jan 25, 2007 (6:43 pm)
The Ford 3.0 Vulcan is very well known as being a very reliable and pretty much bullit proof engine. Granted, its "old" pushrod technology but it is very reliable.
"and then Ford wonders why better efforts such as the Fusion/500 don't hold their value either. But, even today the 'new' (by Ford's standards) DT is anemic compared to what you find in Camcordimas."
With statements like these it shows that you know nothing about the Duratec history or its make-up. Anemic?? How? It does 0-60 in 7.2 seconds.. We are talking Tenths of a second in difference here...
#11005 of 12297 Re: Um... [scape2]
Jan 25, 2007 (6:48 pm)
Ever heard of torque?
So what's its torque? 300 lb-ft? If that's the case then I can PROBABLY overlook the pathetic 149 HP rating from a 3.0 V6.
You can spin it anyway you want but in this day and age 149 HP will be something from a 2.2 I4. Let me give you some reference: The 1995 Honda Accord (i.e, 12 years ago) has a 2.7L V6 that puts out 170 HP and 165 lb-ft of torque.
#11006 of 12297 Re: First Name Basis: sometimes is not a good thing .. [booyahcramer]
Jan 25, 2007 (6:49 pm)
"Many folks don't have to pinch pennies either when buying a car. Hyundai has to price their cars less or people won't buy them when there's a Camcord for the same price. "
Here we go again.. about price. The fact is that the Honda/Camry are going to cost you thousands more at purchase price. For those of us who don't feel the need to pay the extra $$ for a perceived advantage.. we get bashed, because we didn't pay more. Why pay more and get less?? Remember when Honda/Toyota meant value, real value... When you actually paid less and got more..
#11007 of 12297 Re: First Name Basis: sometimes is not a good thing .. [scape2]
Jan 25, 2007 (6:54 pm)
Why pay more and get less
Can you please elaborate more on how did one pay more to get less with a Camry or Accord?
#11008 of 12297 Re: Um... [w9cw]
Jan 25, 2007 (6:55 pm)
Thinking about the vulcan 3.0.. I know 4 people who have this engine.. 2 in Taurus, 1 in a Sable, and one in a Mazda Truck... all have had no problems.. 2 have over 100,000 miles.. Hmm.... Plus, get out on the net. Read, Read, read... The vulcan 3.0 is known for its reliability..