Last post on Apr 13, 2007 at 11:55 AM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Subaru Legacy, Saturn Aura, Sedan
#10935 of 12297 Re: 2006 Sonata vs 2003 Accord [bhmr59]
Jan 24, 2007 (7:02 am)
It was a 2003. HP is at 240. Any and all stats for it are available on line. Engine in it was three to four years 'older' that the 2006 Sonata engine yet looks like Honda had much better technology and engine quality even back then compared to what Hyundai has now.
I had even spoken to the guy (whom I bought the car from) at the dealership that I had gotten to know (when the car was in for warranty work AGAIN) about the poor gas mileage compared to the Accord V6 and his response was that basically Honda made the best fuel efficient engines out there and it didn't surprise him that an older Honda engine would get better mileage with more hp than a Hyundai engine!
The only positive thing about the whole Hyundai experience was the sales guy. Best most honest sales guy I have ever met. I just hope he moves to another brand soon so I can buy from him again.
#10936 of 12297 Re: Honda Accord wins again [rockylee]
Jan 24, 2007 (7:03 am)
Just a hint ????? That thing might as well be a clone. It looks good but dang.....At least the new TL, won't look all that bad.
Rocky, from which angle does it look like a clone to the IS? I didn't know that the IS line has spawned a coupe.
Maybe someone with the ability could post pictures of the two, side by side?
#10937 of 12297 Re: Honda Accord wins again [rockylee]
Jan 24, 2007 (7:49 am)
You gotta have A LOT of imagination to see an IS in the new Accord coupe.
Here you go 03accordman, I honestly don't think these 2 look alike from ANY given angle.
#10938 of 12297 The Power Issue [captain2]
Jan 24, 2007 (8:17 am)
Well, I guess in my real-life traffic situations I never put myself in a place where I need upwards of 250 horsepower. If the difference in pulling out in front of a car or not is that you have the V6, you probably shouldn't be cutting it that close anyway... but hey, that's just one guy and his insurance rates talking...
Your Results May Vary (and I shouldn't have said "regardless" in my last post which you replied to, sorry)
I've never been in an accident because my vehicle was underpowered (and that includes 4 years in a 130 horsepower Accord). My grandfather went 15 years in his 70 horsepower Civic Wagon - commuted 40 miles to work daily, including a drive through downtown. That car was never ever wrecked (which is amazing regardless of engine power).
I say all that just to let you know where I'm coming from on this stance. I see the V6 as the more fun choice (unless you prefer handling, which I do) but at a high price ($2k or so + F.E.).
Jan 24, 2007 (8:53 am)
Yeah, for me personally, the WRX non-STI looks like where its at. AWD/manual trans/225hp and up. My biggest issue is that I have to go for a 2004 or newer to get a sunroof, which is a little bit more saving up.
#10940 of 12297 Re: Honda Accord wins again [louiswei]
Jan 24, 2007 (9:16 am)
Thanks Louiswei; I agree, you really need a lot of imagination (and a few monsters in your head) to call similar looking.
Jan 24, 2007 (10:18 am)
In the Wikipedia article on the 1 series, it appears as if BMW is taking the same route that Honda is - where the Civic is becoming the upsized middle-range car and the Fit is the new entry-level offering.
Light, same engines as the old 3 series, and a lot less expensive.
2006 - 130i: 2996 cc I6, 24 valves, 265 hp/195 kW, 315 Nm
Kerb Weight 1375 kg(3031 lbs)
2007 - will be 306HP. Essentially you'll get an IS350's power with 500lbs less weight. Expect 0-60 times in the 5.5 range and handling that is like a rally car.
The U.K. price includes massive taxes and such, so the U.S. price would be in the 30-35K range, most likely, for the 130 M(essentially a "M1", but they don't want to re-use the name)
#10942 of 12297 Re: The Power Issue [thegraduate]
Jan 24, 2007 (10:29 am)
every morning I have a specific highway entrance - the type of road where if you are doing 75, you are probably in the right lane, heavy traffic all moving at those kind of speeds 'bumper-to-bumper'. While I'll admit that there is sufficient 'run-up ' space for that 4 cylinder Accord (or similarly powered cars) to get up to the 70 or so that is needed, I don't even have to worry about it in my Avalon, or my wife in her 3.5 Altima. A convenience, some peace of mind (and I'll still contend a safety margin) that I do effectively pay for at the gas pump.
The Accord 4, BTW, one of the very few, that it is difficult to tell that it is not a 6, at least until that point that you need to floor it. The 4 also should handle BETTER, less overall weight and better vehicle balance.
#10943 of 12297 Not Too Surprizing
Jan 24, 2007 (10:39 am)
The Accord is made in Japan as a 4-Cylinder model from the ground up, with the V6 usually available in the models they sell as Accura over here. (ie - they stuff a nice V6 in it kind of like how BMW throws a big engine in the M series) for the U.S. markets. Though I thing you can also get an Accord V6 in Japan, nobody really does it due to the insane tarrifs and surcharges.(if you have that much money, you get a real luxury car)
So the 4 cylinder models that are made in Japan are among the most refined and best values for the price. Take the Accord VP. Same exact trim level as a Civic LX, with only a couple of exceptions(alloy wheels and a better stereo are it, I think) - so it's not a bad car, considering. Add in two rear speakers and a couple of minor accessories and it's a decent car.(Honda alloys weight exactly the same as the steel wheels, so there's not much point in getting them - the handling's exactly the same)
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=91107&acode=USB70HOC011A0&restor- - e=false
$16,215 with manual transmission, before shipping. Honda routinely has $500 or $1000 off, though, on these - so it's possible to get one for under $16K including shipping near the end of the model year.
#10944 of 12297 Re: Not Too Surprizing [plekto]
Jan 24, 2007 (10:45 am)
What are you talking about? The current Accord sold here in the states are DESIGNED here. The Japanese Accord is the same as the European Accord and to us that's the Acura TSX which comes with 4 cylinder only.
The NA Accord is designed to carry both the I4 and V6 engines from the ground up. There is no such thing as it was designed to carry a 4 in Japan and we just stuck a 6 in there for the NA market. That is totally nonsense.