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You are in the Ford Mustang
What is this discussion about?
Ford Mustang, Pontiac GTO, Coupe, Convertible
#750 of 2056 Re: My take on this (part one)... [jae5]
May 27, 2005 (5:43 pm)
You said, "Hell, the old VW Beetle had irs, so did the Corvair. Are you saying just because those, and this current GTO, have irs it automatically makes them better to a solid-rear axle car? I’d like to see your tire bill if the caster/camber are off on the rear, nasty!"
Well, yes, I would say that either of my present Corvairs is a better car than a Mustang. The IRS on the Corvair was a redesign by Ira Duntov of the Corvette rear suspension. As for high tire costs if the rear end is out of alignment, a Mustang can eat some front tires if it is out of alignment. I keep my Corvairs aligned, like anyone who takes care of his cars. And my old 1964 Corvair Spyder, with its 164 cubic inch 6 cylinder, used to eat 289 Mustangs for breakfast. Of course I had a factory turbo. Not fair because the Mustangs didn't have a turbo? That's what happens when you are behind the curve on innovation. Corvair was the only car you could get then with factory turbo. There was another car that had a rear-engine air-cooled flat six, though. The Porsche 911. Corvairs are still beating Porsches in SCCA races though.
And did you happen to know what the first car with variable valve timing was? A 1965 Corvair that was the test bed for the inventor who patented it in 1990. ( see http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/may05/0505inve.html )
And, by the way, sometime you should read "Unsafe at Any Speed" by Ralph Nader. The complaints he had about the Corvair had already been fixed. Then read the chapter on Mustangs. Ford still hasn't fixed some of that stuff, and at the time of publication, had fixed NONE of it.
Hell yes, Corvair is a better car than a Mustang.
#751 of 2056 corvair vs GTO or Mustang?
May 28, 2005 (5:26 am)
Now we're really getting into "ridiculous" territory.
#754 of 2056 Re: My take on this (part one)... [kenfran]
May 28, 2005 (2:06 pm)
I tried to find this discussion thread but couldn't. I know I posted something about the Corvair some time ago. The Corvair was definitely ahead of its time. It's a treat to see a well maintained one nowadays. Of course it's nice to see any 60's car that's been kept up. Reminds me of that other car by John DeLorean. The Firebird with the 175 horse six cylinder. I know I had no use for it, but a couple of years later with spiraling insurance rates and a gas shortage, anyone that had one was probably feeling pretty smug.
That article you linked to was a bit strange but interesting. It reminded me of the guy that invented and patented variable speed windshield wipers. He went around to all the car companies but they weren't interested. Funny though, after a couple a years they all had variable speed windshield wipers. Well, he had his day in court and all the car companies had to pay him about $20 million upfront and he is probably still collecting royalties. What's the moral of this story? I don't know, don't trust big corporations?
#756 of 2056 Re: My take on this (part one)... [sputterguy]
May 29, 2005 (7:17 am)
sputter....the 6 cyl Pontiac you're thinking of was one of the first OHC 6 cyl engines I have a memory of. I think they put it in the LeMans, too.
I also seem to remember that it wasn't very well thought out as it proved troublesome. But, you have to give Pontiac (and John Z) credit for being a bit ahead of the curve in foreseeing the big oil created crisis of the time and bring out a 6 banger in the throws of most cars having a v8.
Corvairs? 40 year old technology, that may or may not have been ahead of their time. I remember being a youngun and my older sister's boyfriend having one. While I was real young, I remember riding in it and not being that impressed. I remember him ballyhooing the fact that it was either turbo charged or supercharged. Again, still wasn't impressed.
Of course, this was a time when the cars to be lusted after were SS 396s, Mustangs, Chragers, etc.
Back on topic, I do think it is a shame that the current iteration GTO isn't gathering much in the way of kudos from the media......for no other reason than it isn't giving GM much impetus to make a new version of it.