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Ford Mustang, Pontiac GTO, Coupe, Convertible
#379 of 2056 Re: GTO Issues LAST POST on this topic [gunit]
Apr 28, 2005 (9:54 am)
You are right, all cars have their own problems, including the GTO. But the Mustang seem to be more sever, esp that gas tank problem.
Umm... I wouldn't call a slow-filling gas tank a severe problem unless I was being chased buy a creepy monster or psycho-back-from-the-dead-hellbent-on-revenge that was going to sever my head from my body and I had to get a fill-up on #4 before I could escape.
Electronics issues on GTO were a bad battery which can happen on the 2month transit from Austrailia to America. As soon as dealer put a new battery in, it was fine. Unlike Musttangs that seem to just die at highwayspeeds from electriclal malfunctions, LOL! Dealer can't find out why. Thats a lot more sever to me.
Got news for ya, Pontiac did adjust the front suspension accordlingly to handle P245 tires. In austrailia they have P235. It was one rare case. Everyone else that posted after that never had that problem at all. All suggested he had an alignment problem if you read the whole post. if you saw the pictures of the tire he posted it was CLEARLY an alignment problem. Read the whole thread first!
I supposed we could keep on going, but I won't last post on this. Mustang is more problematic then GTO, face it. As they say you GET what you pay for.
Holden is a proven platform, the 2005 Stang is Not yet. Give it until next year to iron out bugs.
Total double standard there. One minute you're complaining that the Mustang is (very loosely) based on the 5 or 6 year old LS platform and it is old, but the GTO is on the same Monaro platform that is OLDER than the LS, but it is a proven platform??? Give me a break! One guy reports an electrical system problem that is obviously being caused by moisture getting into his electrical system somehow and it's a Mustang epidemic. A GTO owner reports premature tire wear and it's an isolated incident??
You have said you weren't going to post in this topic anymore AT LEAST 6 times. I sure do wish you would keep your promise because you're full of it. And if I have to see you type "LOL!" one more time, I think I'm going to gouge my own eyes out!
#380 of 2056 Re: At least we can put gas in our GTO [gunit]
Apr 28, 2005 (10:01 am)
GTO is more the luxury car then the Stang will ever be
Thank goodness for that! If it was a luxury car, it wouldn't be a Mustang now would it? Unlike some other cars, the Mustang has remained true to its roots.
Apr 28, 2005 (10:06 am)
I don't know how old this person is, but the level of insecurity creadted by the 2005 Mustang is mind boggling. I have never seen someone get so riled up over a car that they feel discredits theirs.
The GTO is a nice car. The Mustang too. I really don't know what more gunit can accomplish by listing 6 problems from 100,000 cars. I mean, if gunit was driving a Lexus, i would put more weight into arguments such as quality issues. Instead, coming from GM, it is like the pot calling the kettle black...it is to laugh.
The thing is, I will put up with inor annoyances with my Mustang because I love the car. If I wanted perfection, I would have bought a Lexus. And a pillow.
This thread is getting more and more immature. You can discredit Mustang buyers all you want, from being high school kids to not being able to afford a class car like the GTO. My last car cost twice as much as the Mustang, and many others out there just like to have fun. there is no need for arrogance because your car cost a few thousand more, is there?
Like i said both nice cars. If you can sleep better at night without night sweats of a 2005 Mustang, I'll help you out by saying that the GTO is more powerful, has more room and sounds great. How's that?
Apr 28, 2005 (10:11 am)
rorr..cmnott...s'pose you're right. I do think the GTO is a good car. Probably, one of the better ones the General has produced, regardless of its origins. I chose the Mustang over the GTO for previously stated reasons.
If I put down my own money, I'd probably be a little perturbed at GM for leaving it "swinging in the breeze", too. In that same vein, you have to wonder how the folks who bought the SSR are feeling, too? Someone mentioned that the Solstice was just delayed. That's hot on the heels of the big GM recall....GM losing marketshare and billions. I'd be a little frustrated at GM, too.
Not a slight to the GTO crowd, but while Ford has had its share of foibles, all this is is becoming more the rule rather than the exception with GM, in general. The Mustang is a very bright spot for Ford that shows what the big auto behemoths can do if they get their act together.
Pontiac is not alone with their general malaise. They are joined by such fabled brands like Mercedes, VW and others.
Along that same line, who would have thought that Renault (of all companies) could turn around Nissan.
The Mustang has been a very pleasant surprise within Ford. I don't mind the alluded post about it's comparison to a Camry. Ford and GM could take some lessons from Toyota (just don't take their advice about "muscle coupes"). Now, if Ford can get their act together with putting an engine worthy of the 500 chassis, they may be on to something. They are already on track with hybrid Escapes. The Mazda 3 platform is one of the best out there. The Focus will use it as is the Volvo subsidiary. There is a light at the end of Ford's tunnel.
GM? Well, the best we can say is wait and see.
#383 of 2056 Re: Good Autoweek Article about GTO [gunit]
Apr 28, 2005 (10:16 am)
Excellent article. Especially with the times being so much slower for both cars, it makes me think they might be more realistic figures.
#384 of 2056 Re: Strut/Tire Rubbing [gunit]
Apr 28, 2005 (10:34 am)
"It was one rare case. Everyone else that posted after that never had that problem at all."
If we're talking about the same site, I just went back and checked the thread. Since 4/10, six people have confirmed their cars exhibit this problem and have filed complaints with the NHTSA.
No matter if it's one or six or six hundred, this type of issue is unacceptable on a $30K + vehicle. The margin for error in this price range is very small indeed.
#385 of 2056 Re: It's all a matter of preferance [brushbandit]
Apr 28, 2005 (11:39 am)
Right on dude! I bought mine for the drive train also. Of course, the fact that the interior has the best quality materials and workmanship of any American car I've ever had didn't hurt. Actually, if it had a cheap interior I wouldn't have sprung for it. I've worked too long to settle for less. And it has the best handling of any American car I've had. If it isn't the best for the money, fine, I'm still more than happy with it.
#386 of 2056 Re: issues [gunit]
Apr 28, 2005 (12:40 pm)
Those are good observations. The GTO is designed more for the European crowd and is not related to any other living Pontiac. High quality? Definitely. Now, do I like the center stack in the dash? No. I prefer a horizontal look. But not the retro look of the Mustang. It doesn't look like any Mustang I've ever driven. I think its the cost though. The common thread of the Mustang owners seems to be that its cheaper. So, I think if you got the bucks then you go for the GTO. If you don't, you go for the Mustang.
Apr 28, 2005 (2:09 pm)
I agree with you on one count....both interiors, the GTO's and the Mustang's were a drawing card for me. I liked the GTO's interior. When I first saw the aluminum interior of the Mustang, I was quite impressed, too. Mine has the red (ICAP) interior option and that just bowled me over...especially with the aluminum interior. If neither car had an attractive interior, I think both would have been less of a draw.
Regarding pricing, I don't know if price was the issue with the GTO. In the low-end of the marketplace, price may be more important. But, where the Mustang and GTO tread, I don't think it's as much of a drawing card.
GTOs did have a bump in sales when GM initially slapped sizeable rebates on them for '04. But, then it trailed off again and dealers were left with too many '04s as leftovers.
I do think people buy "value". Obviously, the value equation was answered with the Mustang considering how well it has sold. It may just be the reaction to the styling that has been the achilles heal for GTO sales rates. Looking at some of the reactions from people, that is probably the #1 "beef" they have. But, you like the styling so it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
The mere fact that this thread exists and is so popular should tell you that the market lumps the GTO and the Mustang GT together. It's probably a fair assumption that the two would be cross shopped. It's probably also fair to say that most of us are quite aware of the price ranges between the two cars. The logical conclusion would be that most people in this market know that they are in the high $20s-low $30s price range when looking to buy.
What we don't know is if the '05 GTO would sell better with more incentives. We'll only know that when we get closer to the end of it's model year and see how many are still lingering (and if GM has to add more incentives to clear them).
I was originally in the market for a new Corvette (which I knew was going to put me in the low $40s range). I would have been in the Corvette if an accident didn't make me shy away from a fiberglass bodied car.
#388 of 2056 catching up on posts
Apr 28, 2005 (2:25 pm)
The impression I get is the Mustang people think their car is better than the GTO, because it is cheaper and sells more. Both are true, but do not make a car better by any means. The GTO is clearly the better car because it is faster (and not just by a couple tenths as certain magazine racers keep droning), it rides better, has IRS, better interior, better build quality, and useable back seats. Handling is still subjective until we see real track numbers, steering feel is subjective as someone pointed out both cars have been proclaimed better in that regard by different publications. The only real downside is the trunk, which is certainly a factor for some people as usuable back seats is a factor for others. The GTO cost more because clearly it is more of a car. Can anyone deny with a straight face if the GTO had a different badge on it that it would not be declared one of the best cars out there (and certainly not compared to a Mustang)?