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2056 messages, Last post on May 27, 2009 at 4:34 PM
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well said, vertical. and yes, we will have to join the same team when mopar takes center stage for a while. on a side note, i dont think the upgraded traffic/street racing enforcement is solely FL's to deal with. Were seeing it here in TX as well - more tickets, more cops and on saturday night you had better be careful if you have a 'loud' exhaust. |
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Re: GT V. GTO [vertical3] by sensai Not sure what point you are trying to make. For starters, the 4.6 is shared across many Ford cars/trucks, so technically it is borrowed too. And what exactly would be the point of handicapping GTOs with a smaller displacement (yet physically bigger and heavier) engine or one that made less power? Shouldn't you be clamoring for Ford to release a higher hp V8 in the GTs and not for GM to release less powerful engines in there cars... While the 4.6 has been around since the early 90's, the configuration of 4.6 for the Mustang GT unique to it. Up until the 2006 year, only the GT used the 4.6L 3 Valve Engine configuration (The V8 Explorers now share it too, but it has less horsepower for the Explorers). The problem I have with the GTO is it is a cool car (prefer Fords myself) but when I look at the lineup I find them uninspired. Yeah it is nice to have a car that goes incredibly fast, but I need more than that to justify buying it. If I was to get a decent performance car from GM, I would most likely choose an Impala SS over a GTO. Now if someone was to give me a GTO I wouldn't turn it down...   TS
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Replying to: theatasigma (Aug 11, 2007 7:55 pm) Wouldn't be cool if the Pontiac R & D guys solicited existing GTO owners for input on body style, ergonomics, and power packages? Might get some ideas on a "retro" look that FoMoCo found so successful with the 05+ S197 platform that is today's Mustang.
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Replying to: vertical3 (Aug 12, 2007 4:28 pm) Kind of like Ford did with the current Mustang? They let Mustang owners/fans give a lot of input in the current iteration and it paid off I think we can all agree.
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Replying to: theatasigma (Aug 11, 2007 7:55 pm) The 3-valve didn't come out until the current-gen Mustang came out, but the trucks got it as well. All the press may have been on the Mustang but the 3-valve was also on the trucks. What I don't like about the 4.6L is that it seemed to be stuck in HP-Limbo for a long time and only now is making 300 (or 320 depending on who you talk too). And it seems that you have to do an SC or something heavy to it to make it scoot; you just can't do a cam and/or head swap to increase performance like on an LS-engine. It seemed from day 1 the LS-family was similar to the traditional SB where you can do simple (semi-simple) traditional bolt-ons and get good gains; you can't seem to do that to the 4.6L. Remember, the 4.6/5.4L is just like the LS-X engines, they're corporate, kind of like the 302/351W & the 350 workhorses. Happy hunting
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Replying to: jae5 (Aug 31, 2007 12:09 pm)  500HP. Bring back the Boss 302.....
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Definately something to keep in mind. The 4.6 may not have high output from the factory, but Ford is not exactly maxing this engine out either. A lot of potential growth is left for the owner to find. Keep in mind that the Mustang is a price leader. Mark. |
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Replying to: vertical3 (Sep 01, 2007 6:02 pm) And I will admit you can get some crazy gains from the last-gen Cobra. Just doing a plug-n-play tune on the ECM gets some great gains; swap the pulley and you get another nice boost (no pun intended). Sorry for that Mustang-only side-track...
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Replying to: jae5 (Sep 06, 2007 10:03 am)
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Replying to: vertical3 (Sep 06, 2007 11:13 am) 4 valves apparently isn't the solution that everyone assumes it is. 4 valvers loose some of their low end torque. You also have the added complexity of the DOHCs. What I find interesting is that Honda is able to fit enough loobs on one cam shaft to run all four valves in their four cylinders with out haveing to go DOHC. The SC upgrades IMHO are very affordable when you consider the potential gain. You are less then $5k and you can get a very nice Mustang GT for just around $30k. So for a total investment of $35,000 you can build a Corvette beater. At least in the str8s. Mark |
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