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#1867 of 2056 Question about Pontiac performance specs vs independent test
Feb 10, 2006 (6:13 pm)
On the main www.pontiac.com/gto
website, if you click on 'Click to
see how we beat the competition',
they say that the GTO did 0 to 60 (2005) in 6.0
seconds -- that doesn't seem so fast.
But in their pdf file at
www.pontiac.com/pdf/06Pontiac_GTO.pdf, they clearly state that the Pontiac GTO does 0 to 60 in a mere
4.6 seconds (the automatic). That
is a HUGE difference in performance.
So which number is closer to being
correct? How did they get the 4.6
number? on a track? Which number should we believe?
I'm trying to decide on a GTO or GT, and want to get to the bottom of this.
Thanks for your replies.
#1868 of 2056 Re: Question about Pontiac performance specs vs independent test [jtaco]
Feb 10, 2006 (6:35 pm)
Motor Trend duplicated that same GM 4.7 second time in their December issue when they compared it to the Charger SRT8. BTW, the GTO was faster then the SRT8. So I would say GM's number is correct. For some reasons all the cars in that how we beat the competition drive were slow. Mustang GT was over 6 seconds.
As far as I know, no magazine has ever test driven an Automatic GTO, only 6spd manuals.
The fastest times I have seen at the track for a Stock GTO are with the automatic trans in it.
#1869 of 2056 Re: GTO ... yuck! [carlots101]
Feb 10, 2006 (6:38 pm)
Carlots, you gotta be nuts to think the Pontiac is even in the same ballpark as the limited-production '07 Shelby Mustang GT 500. Please, tell me, I'm all ears, how guys are lining up to buy the GTO, sight unseen, plunking down $1000 non-refundable deposits, like they're doing for the GT 500. Please, tell me, I'm all ears, how a GTO recently got, or could ever get, $700,000 at a Barret-Jackson auction, like the GT 500 just did (charity auction).
Performance comparisons between the 2 vehicles is totally hypothetical, in as much as the GT500 hasn't even been produced yet. It's MSRP has yet to be determined and there isn't even a stat sheet for the car. Even the HP is up in the air, quoted as somewhere between 450 and 500. All we have to go on is the prototype.
Frankly, carlots, the more you go on about how vastly superior your car is, the less credibility you have. For instance, how do you know what the availibility of the Mustang GT is? Do you go shopping for them in your free time, even tho you're not going to buy one? In contrast, I base my statements on my own recent buying experience and the fact that I was at a Ford dealer ~2 weeks ago to discuss ordering a GT 500.
#1870 of 2056 Re: GTO ... yuck! [pony_pirate]
Feb 10, 2006 (7:00 pm)
The limited production GT500 is slated to sell about 10,000 units, close to what the GTO sold in 2005. Not so limited is it? I never said guys are lining up buying GTO's unseen, thats your post. If you watched Barret-Jackson you will know that a GM (Chevy) muscle car got the highest sale price of nearly $1.2 million ! Not a Ford.
MSRP has been established for the GT500, you need to check the latest ford news. $40k Coupe, $44k Convertible. That is before the highly anticipated dealer markups and bidding wars. This was also published in Motor Trend who just test drove the Convertible. As for performance, so far the GT500 is at 4.5 seconds, not too impressive for a 475hp+ car , when the GTO does 4.7 seconds with 400hp.
I NEVER said how vastly superior my car is or do I keep going on about it. Questioning my credibilty? Let's stick to the topic, not each other's creditbility.
I base my statements on the availabilty of the mustang on the 4 dif. Ford dealers by my house and their inventory I see out in front on my commute everyday. There are plenty of both V6 and V8 Mustangs sitting there now for quite some time in my area of the country. Your area may be different. I think the gotta have factor is starting wear off in my area! They are both good cars. I prefer the GTO, you prefer the Mustang, thats what this debate is about.
#1872 of 2056 Re: GTO ... yuck! [carlots101]
Feb 10, 2006 (7:14 pm)
BTW, what price did the dealer give you on that GT500 you were there to discuss ordering?
He couldn't give me a price, and neither could the other dealer I talked to about 1-2 months earlier, which makes the figures you quote totally bogus as far as I'm concerned. If the dealers don't know, how in the world do you know? Also, they both said production would be about 7,000, not 10,000. Again, I doubt your cred. Both dealers shied away from making any predictions or promises of any kind. Anything you're reading in the press is pure conjecture and/or BS.
You miss the point that a car which hasn't even been built yet got $700,000 at auction, a car you compared to the GTO. Repeat, there's no comparison.
As far as I'm concerned, I decided to wait this one out. There's too much hype, too much hysteria. You're exactly right about the markup. It's going to ridiculous. One dealer wanted 5%, in writing. The other wouldn't even say. I'll be more than happy just keeping my new GT and seeing how the chips fall for the GT 500. For all we know, it could be a disaster. It doesn't even have the same engine as the GT, which is a winner, an aluminum small-block. Instead, they're putting in a cast-iron engine.
#1873 of 2056 Re: GTO ... yuck! [pony_pirate]
Feb 10, 2006 (7:20 pm)
" Also, they both said production would be about 7,000, not 10,000. Again, I doubt your cred."
My number of 10,000 GT500 seems to be right on the money. Never trust the dealers, they are among the last to find out info. The guys I dealt with for my GTO were also the last to find out any info. I was far more knowledgeable then them on their own products.
Anyone that pays $700k for a Mustang or even that $1.2 million for that nice old Chevy muscle car is out of their mind, IMHO.
You are better off with the GT, that is what I would get. If they made a more expensive higher horsepower version of the GTO I wouldn't buy it either. Not worth it to me.
We have to replace our family sedan and I would love to get a Mustang GT to go along with the GTO, but my wife won't let that happen, I can dream though. We only have 1 kid.
#1875 of 2056 Re: GTO ... yuck! [carlots101]
Feb 10, 2006 (7:24 pm)
Here no evil, see no evil.
As I said, it was a charity auction. Still, the amount reflects the desirability of the car, sight unseen, which is extremely high. In this case, perception is everything, a very concrete $700,000 everything.
Believe what you want ... journalists, dealers ... not exactly the most honest sources. I'm going to wait and see how the situation plays out "on the ground," as they say.
#1876 of 2056 Re: GTO ... yuck! [pony_pirate]
Feb 10, 2006 (7:25 pm)
True. The auto mags-journalists have gotten it wrong many times too. They now say the GTO for 2008 is dead at Motor Trend. Time will tell. oh well.