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Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
Last post on May 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM
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Ford Mustang, Pontiac GTO, Coupe, Convertible
#1758 of 2056 Re: It's in the gearing [tayl0rd]
Jan 31, 2006 (10:41 am)
A 2004 Mustang GT had a performance 4.6L V8 only making 260hp. That is pretty embarassing for a V8. Most performance V6 engines of 2004 made that much power or more. In fact the base 4.6L in the Crown Vic only makes a paltry 224 hp?
The only way Ford can make any real power out of their V8's is to supercharge them. Before we hear the old comeback of, "Well GM has to use more cubes to make power" I would rather have a non supercharged engine, less to break and is more reliable. I can always add a supercharger to the GM engine if I wanted too.
GM already has an LS2 that makes 450hp normally aspirated, 50more then normal. It's in the GTO-R race car. Again, no blower.
Z06 makes 505hp, no blower. Ford GT500 will make 450hp with a blower.
#1759 of 2056 no title
Jan 31, 2006 (10:44 am)
i was quoted 24500 for an 06 GT
#1760 of 2056 no offense
Jan 31, 2006 (10:47 am)
i think y'all just like to bicker lol
theyre both fine cars imo
#1761 of 2056 Re: It's in the gearing [facts101]
Jan 31, 2006 (10:48 am)
What defeat? 2004 GTO is same or faster then the 2004 Mustang GT. 04 GTO had 350hp, 04 GT had 260hp. There are some people that bought their brand new 2004 GTO's end of year for as low as $23k out the door. You do remember the 2004 GTO did very favorably when compared by Motor Trend to the SLKAMG? Notice they never compared a Mustang to it. Wonder why.. lack of quality.
Your response is exactly why the '04 GTO was swept under the rug. I'm talking about the '04 GTO vs. the '05 GT. They were both on sale at the same time and the '05 GT defeated the '04 GTO with the prescious LS1 engine.
Yes, I remember the GTO/CLK review. FYI, Mercedes isn't exactly the epitomy of quality as of late. The Mustang isn't compared to luxury cars because it doesn't pretend to be a low-rent luxury car. It's a classic pony car and that's all Mustang lovers want it to be. If we wanted low-rent luxury, I'm sure plenty of us would have opted for the GTO as one of us actually DID opt for a GTO in addition to a GT.
Jan 31, 2006 (10:56 am)
haha exactly both serve diff purposes; exact reason why camaro and challenger are coming out, to "challenge" the mustang; same thing happened 40 years ago; why don't we compare a 330ci to a mustang my buddy got one for 30k ect ect... it just aint the same race... sorry
#1763 of 2056 Re: It's in the gearing [facts101]
Jan 31, 2006 (10:56 am)
... Most performance V6 engines of 2004 made that much power or more. ...
... Z06 makes 505hp, no blower. Ford GT500 will make 450hp with a blower.
And that same engine in the Ford GT makes 600HP. Ninety-five more than the Z06 with 1.6L less displacement.
#1764 of 2056 Re: GTO vs. GT [dclark2]
Jan 31, 2006 (10:59 am)
If you read my post correctly, I said before doing my major mods (i.e. the blower). I'm talking a simple $1100 in mods, makes the GT faster. And NO a blower doesnt cost well over $5000 to buy and install. Vortech's blower $3200-$3600 (depending on where) and its install is about $1000 flat. Less the 5 big ones.
And do me a favor... Define a "comparably equipped Mustang".
Last time I checked, we are talking about PERFORMANCE vs. DOLLARS. Not my interior is better than yours so thats why my car is better.
Here is your problem...you keep saying a comparable GT to a GTO. Hows this for you...
Now lets compare that...a bone stock, BASE GTO, vs a bone stock BASE GT. No added goodies in either.
Ford MSRP Base Model $25835
GTO MSRP Base Model $31,990
Even the GT PREMIUM is $27,010 MSRP.
So, base model to base model, there is a big dollar difference, both still have 300hp and 400 hp, and you can still add to the GT, make it faster, for less then the GTO.
#1765 of 2056 Popularity/Demographics/Inventory
Jan 31, 2006 (11:07 am)
I think both cars are pretty great for what they cost.
Mustang is available as a V6 so it had to be built to a lower price point than the GTO.
I don't see the GTO as handling or conering as well as the Mustang. GTO is softer and has a longer wheelbase so it wouldn't be as quick autoXing.
My GTO does not grip as well as my IROC, which corners as flat as a board. The GTo may have good high speed handling capabilities but I have not tried to slam it into a corner from 80-100mph.
I would have to give the handling crown to the Mustang but the extra torque, ride and comfort go to the GTO.
I also think that the GTo appeals to an older demographic.
I am guessing that the GTO has what more 40-50 year olds want in a Coupe.
By the way the Mustang's inventory is now at 111 days.
They are hardly flying off the lots anymore.
GTO's is 135 days.
#1766 of 2056 Re: Popularity/Demographics/Inventory [b4z]
Jan 31, 2006 (11:09 am)
"By the way the Mustang's inventory is now at 111 days."
Anyway to break that down by V6 vs. GT?
#1767 of 2056 Is there really such a thing as a GT w/ no options?
Jan 31, 2006 (11:20 am)
"And do me a favor... Define a "comparably equipped Mustang".
How about a mustang with 1000w stereo,larger tire option, upgraded interior andleather (really is leather/pleather)for starters?
Sorry, but you can't get a GTO without that wonderful all leather interior. Plus, they are now giving them 18" wheels at no extra cost. I doubt most mustang buyers will even consider a GT w/o any options. The base mustang gt is likely a lossleader that is hard, if not nonexistent, to find.
Cars in the Mustang price range that are faster? How about the lancer, it'll do a 13.2 1/4. How many do you need, what's the point? All of this only proves that the mustange is not a leader in any category- that's hardly a selling point.
High powered v6's from '04 that could do 260hp or more...
GM might have some blown v6 that could do it. I do know that the Honda sourced V6 that they put in the VUE is rated at 250 hp. Not bad for a ride that currently now costs $23K