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You are in the Ford Mustang
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Ford Mustang, Pontiac GTO, Coupe, Convertible
#173 of 2056 Re: Another good C&D comparo quote [gunit]
Apr 18, 2005 (12:21 pm)
I like the GTO you don't. Thats cool.
Hey, I like the GTO as well, and think it deserves alot of respect. If I was to win one, I wouldn't necessarily drive straight to the Ford dealer to trade it. I mainly jumped into this discussion to defend the Mustang rather than beat up on the GTO, sorry if it sounds that way. It's just that if I was spending my money, I'd buy the Mustang. I almost had one, but unfortunately my Fiancee likes her older (1999-2004) body style better than the new one, so no deal .
#174 of 2056 why higher insurance?
Apr 18, 2005 (12:30 pm)
One thing I can't get is why the Mustang V8 or F body V8 insurance is so high? Must be the kids or younger people wrecking them or extra claims or something. For me being married with a multicar discount etc, no accidents or tickets in past 5yrs... the Mustang V8 was about $100 higher for the year then the GTO,which isn't much, close but how can a 300hp car be $100 more then 400hp car? Insurance company's are strange.
here is the KICKER....My 2001 I30t luxury sedan is MORE per year to insure then the 2005 GTO, I30t is only 227 horse!, LOL! Only $10 a year, but still funny.
I just assume there are more claims on Mustangs/camaros.
#175 of 2056 Re: Another good C&D comparo quote [benderofbows]
Apr 18, 2005 (12:32 pm)
Cool. Mustang is nice, I just prefer the GTO better, much less of them on the road, I have only seen about 2 in my area. Then not drawing too much attention can be a good thing sometimes... With my old Vette constantly getting too much attention, sometimes the wrong kind, everybody wanting to race you etc. Men in blue noticing you, etc.
#176 of 2056 Re: sales [gunit]
Apr 18, 2005 (1:42 pm)
Solstice looks interesting. I saw it at the local auto show this past winter. The General, did indeed, keep it under $20K. Personally, I think the Saturn version looks better, but that by no means says that the Solstice won't be a hit for Pontiac. Will have to wait to get behind the wheel to make a judgement, though. That might prove a tough proposition since the first ones out will probably sell out quickly since it's an all new car for Pontiac and a big departure from what people have seen from Pontiac in recent years.
It could be a "turn around" car for Pontiac or it could be another Fiero. Too early to tell. My "gut" tells me it will be a hit, if for no other reason than Lutz needs it to be. You can make a bet that the first ones off the line will be perfect. Lutz doesn't want any huge "faux pax" happening to slow down early momentum.
#177 of 2056 Re: sales [graphicguy]
Apr 18, 2005 (1:55 pm)
I couldn't imagine Saturn making a car like Solstice, not something I would expect from them, but that being said, I agree the Saturn front end looks better. Time will tell on it. At least the General is advertising it UNLIKE the GTO. There are all these G6 and Solstice commericials and even Grand Prix, but no GTO commericials? Mercury did the same thing with the Marauder. Wrong way to run a business. I have heard they are selling their 2005 GTO's on target for the 12k they are allotted. My dealer can't get any more until late June, LOL! In my area knowone has 2004's left. That being said I would not have bought a 2004 leftover even for a cheap price, #1 its a 1st yr car here and 2nd the 2005 has many more improvements. They also announced that the 2005 would have more while selling 2004, LOL! Good thing I waited.
That being said, any improvements for the 2006 Mustang GT V8 yet?
Apr 18, 2005 (2:58 pm)
Pontiac couldn't possibly have had less advertising than they had for the '05 GTO. I see G6 ads all the time, though. You think they could have reserved 1/10th of the G6 ad budget for the GTO.
Nothing regarding changes aside from a few color renaming schemes and I think 18" wheels being available to the '06 Mustang GT.
#179 of 2056 Went to the track this past sunday with the GTO.
Apr 18, 2005 (6:04 pm)
Also racing at the track was an 05 Mustang GT that a local performance company had purchased in Illinois, the dragstrip and performance company are in NJ. It was an automatic and they were racing the car to get baseline times before they installed thier new sleeper turbo set up on the car. The car had autocross tires on the rear, not as good as drag radials but better than street tires. They also dropped the mufflers. Also the track we ran at is not known for good traction. The best time I saw the Mustang run was a 14.40. My 04 GTO stock except for LT headers ran a best of 13.80 on street tires. I was left unimpressed by the Mustang. I see these 13.4 ET's for the mustang talked about but I have yet to see it. Maybe the auto in the Mustang really slows it down?
Apr 19, 2005 (5:34 am)
Yeah....that's the problem with trying to assess performance from "track" stories. Driver abilities are different. Equipment levels are different (automatic vs manual). Levels of tune/mods are different.
That's why I stick to the trade rags to get consistent and reliable perfromance numbers on cars straight out of the factory.
When I was still racing, I can't tell you the amount of times I saw drivers state they were running bone stock....only to find out on closer inspection that they had different tires from stock, different exhaust's from stock, etc. To me, that's not stock. To some, if they aren't running any sort of forced induction, they consider themselves stock. I say, if you've done anything to a car that wasn't stock, it's not bone stock.
3 weeks ago, I was at the local track. I saw a highly modded Mustang run in the 9s. I've seen '04 GTOs, modded running in the mid 12s. Conversely, I've seen Mustangs run in the 14s as well as GTOs (admittedly, none of them had very good hookups coming off the lights).
#181 of 2056 Who to trust on numbers
Apr 19, 2005 (8:04 am)
The only ones you can trust are those that do the testing for R&D for exhaust, transmission upfits, axle changes, blowers, etc. The actual Factory numbers, HP to the GROUND, have to be accurate, as well. However those can be deceiving if you can't use them correctly. You MUST read...re-read...test if you have the ability. If you can't PROVE IT...it's not so...except for YOU.
And just like your Momma said, "Consider the source"
If you are using "The enthusiasts mags" to make an informed decision, you might be in a bit of trouble. When the "mags" were given a chance to drive what would have been the 1983 Corvette, they said, when it hits the street it will be the greatest American performance car of all time....check it out....the 1983 Vette never made it to the street...too many problems in production. Ya know...I never read a retraction of any of that pap that passes for "journalism"
#182 of 2056 GTO vs. Mustang?
Apr 19, 2005 (8:10 am)
Looks like again we're back to horses per dollar comparison. Bye the way, it would be unfair to not include BMW 3-series coupe, Mazda RX 7 and Nissan Z/ Infinity G35 Couple in this comparison.