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#36408 of 38531 Re: Red [andys120]
Mar 24, 2013 (9:51 am)
Yes - its an Isuzu Florian - this version is from the early 70's apparently - circa 1971-5, I think
Mar 24, 2013 (3:11 pm)
#36410 of 38531 Re: Another one. [magnette]
Mar 24, 2013 (3:44 pm)
Hmm...I want to say Fiat 127, but something doesn't seem right.
#36411 of 38531 Re: Another one. [fintail]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Mar 24, 2013 (3:59 pm)
it's those suspicious C pillar vents...be careful fin, this could be a trick...
#36412 of 38531 Re: Another one. [fintail]
Mar 24, 2013 (4:01 pm)
Not a Fiat 127 as rear engined and intakes for engine air on C/D pillar are two high for 126 or Polish equivalent. It is also a bigger care than the 126, which had its roots in the Fiat 500.
The rear end and general stance screams Fiat 850 derived. I will guess something by SEAT or Autobianchi.
#36413 of 38531 Re: Another one. [grahampeters]
Mar 24, 2013 (9:27 pm)
I'm really stumped, it's like a missing link between the Fiat 850 and the 126 or 127 except that no one seems to know what it is. I've checked every website I can think of and I can't find it.
Good one Fintail
#36414 of 38531 Re: Another one. [magnette]
Mar 24, 2013 (10:14 pm)
That was certainly hard. I think we could all see the Fiat roots, but I cannot recall ever seeing one. The Netherlands location and country plate (NL) were also a challenge.
Having worked my way through the Autobianchi and Seat models, from the 1970s, I think it is a SEAT 133, derived from a Fiat 850 with overtones of Fiat 126. I gather they were also made in Argentina and Egypt. IN Northern Europe, they were apparently sold as Fiats. Never seen one
Quite a challenge
#36415 of 38531 Re: Another one. [grahampeters]
Mar 25, 2013 (11:53 am)
Well done Graham - it is indeed a Seat 133 but was sold in northern Europe - including the UK - as a Fiat 133. I think the name was Fiat in markets where the Seat brand wasn't established.
It seems to have been pretty much a rear engined 850 with the some glazing and panel interchangeability with the new 127, and bridged the gap where the old 600 had gone as the car was a fair bit cheaper than the 127 or 128 which were of course new and modern by comparison.
We didn't get the Seat brand in UK until about 1984 when the Ibiza was introduced, followed by the Marbella and Sorrento, I think. The latter two were basically reworked Fiats but the Ibiza was a more modern design.
I knew someone at college in the late 70's whose girlfriend used to have one of these cars- I had a lift in it a few times and it was nothing memorable but they must be really rare now except perhaps in the drier parts of Spain where the rust wouldn't have got them.
Funnily enough I was in Spain last week and looked out for old cars - only saw one Simca 1100, a Seat 127 van and a couple of 80's Seats - nothing exceptional.
#36416 of 38531 Re: Another one. [magnette]
Mar 25, 2013 (5:05 pm)
It's a new one on me but I found it. What a difference it makes when you know what you're looking for.
More on the SEAT/FIAT 133 here.
Mar 25, 2013 (5:14 pm)