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#23174 of 23852 Re: Another Gullwing... [ateixeira] by jwilliams2 Sep 30, 2009 (11:50 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 11:44 am) Might look better than the B Class, but the SLS? Surely you jest.
#23175 of 23852 Re: Another Gullwing... [ateixeira] by fintail Sep 30, 2009 (11:52 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 11:44 am) I think with 5 doors, normal wheels, non-hardtop-looking glass, and a less creased body, it might be very much like some of what Subaru already offers. The SLS has some debatable proportions, but I don't see it as any worse. At least it made it to production status. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 12:12 pm) fintail (Sep 30, 2009 12:20 pm) ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 12:34 pm) and 6 more...
#23176 of 23852 Re: Another Gullwing... [fintail] by ateixeira Sep 30, 2009 (12:12 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Sep 30, 2009 11:52 am) I realize that looks are subjective, but the SLS suffers from "pinhead" syndrome. Giant body, tiny greenhouse. Here's an awful picture to illustrate the point: Full disclosure - I own a power retractable hard top Miata, and it suffers from the same problem. Soft tops are better styled, as is the manually removeable hard top. The head is just too small, the proportions are awkward. Fortunately my top is down 90% of the time. That was certainly not the case with the original 300SL gullwing. Subaru sorted it out better. The top blends right in with the design, no awkwardness at all. In fact you can even picture it as a 5 door with no change to the proportions. Replies to this message: fintail (Sep 30, 2009 12:20 pm) ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 12:34 pm) fintail (Sep 30, 2009 1:31 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Sep 30, 2009 1:33 pm) and 1 more... british_rover (Oct 03, 2009 11:33 am) and 2 more...
#23177 of 23852 Re: Another Gullwing... [ateixeira] by fintail Sep 30, 2009 (12:20 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 12:12 pm) I think that is probably an issue for any 2-seater 3-window roadster sized design with no room or not much glass behind the seats. Not much can be done. The 300SL was helped by rear quarter windows to make it look larger and better proportioned. The 300SLR coupe, which lacks the quarter windows is closer - but it too has better proportions just because of its foundation. Adding a quarter window or a large curved back glass would do a lot. The Subaru is a gullwing station wagon, the SLS is a gullwing roadster with a fixed top. The former doesn't have to worry about that proportion issue. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 12:34 pm) fintail (Sep 30, 2009 1:31 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Sep 30, 2009 1:33 pm) ateixeira (Oct 01, 2009 9:59 am) british_rover (Oct 03, 2009 11:33 am) fintail (Oct 03, 2009 12:00 pm) ateixeira (Oct 05, 2009 8:23 am)
#23179 of 23852 Re: Another Gullwing... [fintail] by ateixeira Sep 30, 2009 (12:34 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Sep 30, 2009 12:20 pm) I find a lot of folding hard tops have the same odd proportions, with this being the extreme case: What's odd to me, though, is that a Gullwing design wouldn't seem to have the same limitations (small top that folds and fits inside a trunk). Replies to this message: fintail (Sep 30, 2009 1:31 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Sep 30, 2009 1:33 pm) ateixeira (Oct 01, 2009 9:59 am) british_rover (Oct 03, 2009 11:33 am) fintail (Oct 03, 2009 12:00 pm) ateixeira (Oct 05, 2009 8:23 am)
#23180 of 23852 Re: Another Gullwing... [ateixeira] by fintail Sep 30, 2009 (1:31 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 12:34 pm) Yeah, the folding top can only be so big. And the SC is just awkward on many levels. I think the SLS should be more linked not to the 300SL, but to the old SLR, which it more closely resembles. They were very different cars.
#23181 of 23852 Re: Another Gullwing... [ateixeira] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Sep 30, 2009 (1:33 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 12:34 pm) The Gullwing (there is only ONE Gullwing) has its limitations. One, it is very hard to get in and out of, and even requires a steering wheel that folds in half; Two, it can get blisteringly hot in there, with poor cabin ventilation; Three, they can leak if not sealed properly. The Delorean so-called gullwing came to grief with water leaks, and of course just about every targa top leaks and squeaks like crazy. They look great but really, let's say the dirty truth---they are not very practical for entry, exit and structural integrity. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Oct 01, 2009 9:59 am)
#23182 of 23852 Restoration> by andys120 Oct 01, 2009 (4:33 am)
Replies to this message: stephen987 (Oct 01, 2009 4:53 am) andys120 (Oct 01, 2009 5:18 am) Mr_Shiftright (Oct 01, 2009 7:40 am)
#23183 of 23852 Re: Restoration> [andys120] by stephen987 Oct 01, 2009 (4:53 am)
Replying to: andys120 (Oct 01, 2009 4:33 am) Lotus Type 14 Elite? Replies to this message: andys120 (Oct 01, 2009 5:18 am) Mr_Shiftright (Oct 01, 2009 7:40 am)

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