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Re: Barn finds> [andys120] by imidazol97
Nov 26, 2008 (10:48 am)
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And a 1950 Studebaker.
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Fifties Flash> by andys120
Nov 26, 2008 (10:48 am)
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Re: Barn finds> [andys120] by steve_ HOST
Nov 26, 2008 (10:56 am)
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Looks like an early 60's Schwinn American leaning against the Model T.
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Re: Fifties Flash> [andys120] by tmart
Nov 26, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Looks like a 53 Ford Sunliner, but the trim doesn't appear to be US, so maybe a Canadian model, or Mercury.
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The star logo... by lemko
Nov 26, 2008 (11:52 am)
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...in the grille leads me to believe it's a Meteor - the Canadian version of a Ford. As for the year, I would guess it's a 1952-54.
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Re: The star logo... [lemko] by andys120
Nov 26, 2008 (3:44 pm)
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Yep it's a 1953 Meteor Crestline. I find it interesting that FoMoCo's Canadian marketers thought there was a niche between Ford and Mercury and filled it with Meteors from '49 to '76 but the USA marketers tried it with the Edsel and it only lasted from '58-'61. Go figure ?
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Supercar> by andys120
Nov 29, 2008 (12:49 pm)
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Re: Supercar> [andys120] by kyfdx HOST
Nov 29, 2008 (12:55 pm)
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It looks a lot like a Carrera GT, but different somehow... Some kind of tuner version? RUF?
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Re: The star logo... [andys120] by andre1969
Nov 29, 2008 (3:43 pm)
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Canada's market was funny like that. They tended to have dealer structures that were better suited to smaller towns. Meteor was a "junior" car line, to allow Mercury dealers something to sell at Ford's price point. So that way, if a small town only had a Mercury dealer and no Ford dealer, they still had a Ford-price car to sell.
 
To reciprocate, Ford dealers had a car line called the Monarch, which was basically Mercury-level cars. The Monarch line was replaced by the Edsel in 1958, but the Edsel was so disastrous that it was revived as the Monarch II for 1959! Fords got a bit bigger in 1960, and for 1961, Mercury moved way down in status...more like a '58-60 Edsel than a '57-60 Mercury, so suddenly there wasn't that big a difference between a Ford and a Mercury. As a result, the Monarch was dropped after 1961. I guess Mercury held onto the Meteor line longer though, because while a top-line Galaxie was priced about the same as a top-line Monterrey, there was a much wider disparity at the lower end.
 
GM did something similar with Pontiac in Canada, making it more of an equal to Chevy, rather than a step up. That's partly because in Canada, they paired the divisions up. I think it was Chevy-Oldsmobile and Pontiac-Buick. But also partly because in those days, there were stiff tariffs on imported cars and parts. I think the Oldsmobiles and Buicks were imported in those days, but Chevies were built in Canada. While Olds/Buick were viewed as more of a luxury car, they could get away with having a tariff slapped on them. But to avoid the tariffs and save as much money as possible, the Pontiacs were more home-grown. The midsized and compact cars were little more than Chevy II"s and Chevelles with different grilles and taillights slapped on, but the big cars, where there was more profit, were more of a hybrid. They'd take Chevy frames and drivetrains, and put Pontiac sheetmetal and interiors on them.
 
I guess it was sometime in the 1970's that this trend stopped. They started importing real Pontiacs to add to the home-grown models in the late 1960's, which really must have been confusing. By the mid 1970's, I think they were all on the same wheelbase. Must have been really confusing having both a Laurentian and Catalina in the lineup. Or a Parisienne and Bonneville.
 
I guess Ford/Mercury started running into the same problem. I googled some pics of 1970's Meteors, and by that time, it looked like they were based on the longer Mercury, rather than the shorter Fords. At that point, why bother?
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Re: The star logo... [andre1969] by bumpy
Nov 29, 2008 (4:50 pm)
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The trucks were that way, too. GMC was basically Pontiac's truck division on both sides of the border, but Canadian GMCs were Chevy trucks with different badges (unless you ordered the V6, in which case you got a US-built GMC shipped over the border). Mercury sold rebadged Ford trucks in Canada, and Fargo was rebadged Dodge trucks (for Plymouth dealers?).

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