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Exotic #1 by jlbl
Sep 18, 2008 (6:43 am)
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Let's have a push to this… (without having a look at my CarSpace)
 

 
I could present it as viewed form the front or the flank under petition
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Exotic #1 [jlbl] by magnette
Sep 18, 2008 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Sep 18, 2008 6:43 am)

It looks like an Autonacional Biscuter, or something along those lines, from the early fifties or its French antecedent.
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Re: Exotic #1 [magnette] by jlbl
Sep 18, 2008 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: magnette (Sep 18, 2008 7:11 am)

Wow!! Exactly. I was not confident it would take so little time to have it recognized. Magnette, you are a real connoisseur.
 
It looks like an Autonacional Biscuter
 
It is a Biscuter Zapatilla, 1953. 197 cc., 1 cyl. Chain transmission, but only to the frontal right wheel. No back gear. It was made following the design of the French Gabriel Voisin, who sold it to Autonacional Co. in Barcelona.
 
Here are some more pictures.
 

 

 

 

 
Although the Biscuter (from biscuit) was not exactly popular, they sold quite a number of them. 'You are as ugly as a Biscuter', people used to say at the epoque.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Exotic #1 [jlbl] by andys120
Sep 18, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Sep 18, 2008 8:09 am)

It looks like across between a golf cart and a 2CV.
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Re: Exotic #1 [andys120] by jlbl
Sep 18, 2008 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Sep 18, 2008 8:34 am)

At that time even having a Biscuter was luxurious. No other national car was made. All cars in the streets were either imported or leftovers from the Civil War. SEAT 600, which was made in Barcelona under FIAT license from 1957 onwards, was the first really popular car, although in fact only middle class families could buy one of them.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Exotic #1 [jlbl] by magnette
Sep 18, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Sep 18, 2008 8:09 am)

Actually, there is a photo of one of these beasts, from the front admittedly, on the cover of a magazine I subscribe to - RUMCar news (the magazine of the Register of Unusual Microcars). I only looked at the magazine yesterday, looking for something else, so it was fresh in my mind.
Also, I think I read somewhere - but can't find the reference - that the Biscuter was assembled in its later ears in the factory in Barcelona which had built the Pegaso car, (a link to the previous vehicle, the Iveco, because that was involved with Pegaso trucks)
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Roadster> by andys120
Sep 18, 2008 (10:59 am)
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Re: Exotic #1 [magnette] by jlbl
Sep 18, 2008 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: magnette (Sep 18, 2008 9:01 am)

I've been browsing through the Register of Unusual Microcars website and I've found it very interesting. There is a nice collection of cards picturing post-war European microcars. There was even one made by Messerschmitt! Thanks for the link.
 
Also, I think I read somewhere - but can't find the reference - that the Biscuter was assembled in its later ears in the factory in Barcelona which had built the Pegaso car, (a link to the previous vehicle, the Iveco, because that was involved with Pegaso trucks)
 
I'm not aware of that. Pegaso was built in Barcelona but in ENASA ('Empresa Nacional de Autocamiones') factory. ENASA was a post-war, government-owned corporation devoted to make trucks ('Pegaso' trucks).
 
Shortly before 1950 a Minister of Industry of Franco's dictatorial regime promoted the building of luxury sedans and sport cars just to polish the Dictatorship image. The sport cars were intended to race in Le Mans and other places. Those cars were the Pegaso (Pegasus), named like the trucks.
 
For that purpose, ENASA took advantage of the Spanish remnants of the prestigious pre-war carmaker Hispano-Suiza (which really was a French-Spanish corporation), which at the end of the Civil War and the WWII become divided between France and Spain. Under the direction of a young and competent Spanish engineer, Mr. Ricart, a former Alfa-Romeo engineer, they built a developing center that eventually built only Pegaso sport cars.
 
So, ENASA eventually made about one hundred Pegaso Z-102 sport cars between 1951-1957. They had a light alloy V8 engine of 2,5 liters. In 1957 someone in the government decided the line had to be dismantled. Only trucks, quite good in fact, were built again by ENASA afterwards. With the advent of democracy to Spain, ENASA was de-nationalized and the truck brand Pegaso sold to IVECO instead of MB as I've explained in a former post.
 
Biscuter was made by Autonacional S.A. Autonacional S.A. was also based in Barcelona but was privately owned.
 
Here are pictures of the Pegaso Z-102.
 

 

 
Regards,
Jose
 
PS to all: You may find these images at my CarSpace site. I invite all of you to visit it.
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Re: Roadster> [andys120] by stephen987
Sep 18, 2008 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Sep 18, 2008 10:59 am)

Porsche 356 America.
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Re: Roadster> [stephen987] by andys120
Sep 18, 2008 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Sep 18, 2008 11:18 am)

Yep, it's the little known Porsche 356 America Roadster (1950-52). Like the later 356A Speedster, the ARs were designed as lightweight alternatives to the regular 356 Series, many saw competition in production sports car racing.

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