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#173 of 391
Need help with my first diesel buy??? (Dodge) by snowmanx
Aug 20, 2006 (10:03 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Apr 24, 2006 6:15 pm)

I've narrowed it down to a early 04 2500 4x4 QC short box or a 05 2500 4x4 QC short box, both are pretty much identicle with options, both are SLT, tow, single cd, power every thing etc.
 
They both have about 12000 miles on them and are in great shape, the 04 is $29800, the 05 is $31700.
 
I like the color of the 05 ( more warranty left on it)but I have heard that the early 04s have the older engine and gets better fuel mileage. I've heard the 05s only get about 14-16 empty, and 12-14 loaded(depending on what you are towing of course). I've also heard the 02-early 04 engine will get 20+ empty and 16mpg towing.
 
Is this true???
 
Can you add the locking lugs and Quadzilla chip to the 05 and get the fuel mileage compareable to the early 04??
 
Thanks for any help, I've never owned a diesel and need some help.
 
Any issues I should be aware of with either engine??
#174 of 391
Re: Need help with my first diesel buy??? (Dodge) [snowmanx] by snowmanx
Aug 20, 2006 (10:06 pm)
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Replying to: snowmanx (Aug 20, 2006 10:03 pm)

One last question...which one do you think is the better buy???
#175 of 391
Need help making my desicin on which diesel truck to buy. (First time) by snowmanx
Aug 20, 2006 (10:22 pm)
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I've narrowed it down to a early 04 2500 4x4 QC short box or a 05 2500 4x4 QC short box, both are pretty much identicle with options, both are SLT, tow, single cd, power every thing etc.
  
They both have about 12000 miles on them and are in great shape, the 04 is $29800, the 05 is $31700.
  
I like the color of the 05 ( more warranty left on it)but I have heard that the early 04s have the older engine and gets better fuel mileage. I've heard the 05s only get about 14-16 empty, and 12-14 loaded(depending on what you are towing of course). I've also heard the 02-early 04 engine will get 20+ empty and 16mpg towing.
  
Is this true???
  
Can you add the locking lugs and Quadzilla chip to the 05 and get the fuel mileage compareable to the early 04??
  
Thanks for any help, I've never owned a diesel and need some help.
  
Any issues I should be aware of with either engine??
#176 of 391
Re: Help w/ poor fuel economy 2006 cummins diesel [dwd] by jim314
Aug 21, 2006 (4:00 am)
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Replying to: dwd (Aug 20, 2006 4:30 pm)

The 315s are 8.7% larger in diamater and in circumference than than the stock tires. So unless you reprogrammed your odometer and speedometer and computer, then you are travelling 8.7% farther and 8.7% faster than your odo and speedo indicate.
 
Therefore your true mpg values would be 1.087 times what you have reported. So, e.g. 19.0 mpg from an uncorrected odo reading would actually be 20.7 mpg.
 
And if your speedomoter read 70 mph you were actually going 76 mph. The power required to overcome air resistance rises strongly with increasing speed (NASA) so the engine was having to put out more power at the wheels which would act to decrease true mpg. It is true that these larger tires will decrease engine rpms by 8.7% at the same true speed and this could improve fuel economy especially on level ground, lightly loaded, but it almost certainly would not balance out the increased air resistance, and it would definitely hurt hill climbing performance and pulling force in any gear. Also these wide off-road tires are going to have large rolling resistance compared to tires designed for pavement.
 
If you are really interested in getting maximum mpg then think about the tires you replace these with, but don't go overboard on getting low rolling resistance tires that don't have good traction, especially on wet roads. It does rain in the Texas Hill Country occassionally, doesn't it? You don't want to slide off the road into a gulley some rainy night when a deer jumps out in front of you. Wouldn't be good for your truck, for you, and maybe wouldn't even save the deer.
 
Calculations:
Dia 315/70-17 = (315mm)(1in/25.4mm)(0.7)(2) + 17in = 34.36in
Dia 265/70-17 = (265)(1/25.4)((0.7)(2) +17 = 31.61 in
 
34.36/31.61 = 1.087.
#177 of 391
Re: Help w/ poor fuel economy 2006 cummins diesel [jim314] by dwd
Aug 25, 2006 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: jim314 (Aug 21, 2006 4:00 am)

Your pretty close with your calculation of 1.087. I recently went on a 300 mile cruise down the interstate. I returned the truck to it's stock program and measured my odometer reading with the mile markers on the side of the road. After the trip I calculated that to get the correct odometer reading, speedometer etc. I need to multiply by 1.076, exciting stuff.
I live and work on a ranch in the hillcountry, it's prety rocky and rough. The tires are great around the ranch but I don't think the reduced mileage is worth it. When I replace the tires I will change tire size not the type of tire. I have to have an off road tire for the ranch and getting to it, I live about 12 miles down a gravel road. By the way, rain would be wonderful we are in the 2nd year of a drought and my ranch and cows don't think it's funny anymore.
As far as the deer go, if I were a deer i wouldn't count on me swerving. I've lost a few friends that way and my ranch hand bumper would not be kind to bambi.
Thanks,
dwd
#179 of 391
Poor fuel mileage- '06 Ford F350 6.0 PS Diesel by dr_c
Aug 27, 2006 (4:49 pm)
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Does anyone know why the 06 PS Diesels are getting worse fuel mileage than any of the previous PS Diesels?
 
I have a 06 SB F350 4WD 6.0 Diesel that will barely get better than 12 mpg. I have a friend with the same truck and the same issue. I had an 02 LB F350 4W PS Diesel that consistently got 16- 18 mpg. Both are/were chipped up and have/had tons of hp. I just think I should get a lot more mpg with this new truck.
#180 of 391
Re: Diesel Idling [wgreen4] by banshee1
Aug 29, 2006 (5:24 pm)
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Replying to: wgreen4 (Jun 23, 2006 5:06 am)

The reason we take longer to shut down isn't because it's a diesel, it's because we have a turbocharger that needs to have oil running over the bearings for a minute or so to keep them from "coking" or oil baking on the bearings and after that happens a few times, the turbo doesn't spin and your'e out a couple o' thousand bucks. But the guys who leave them running for 15 or 20 minutes plus is wasteful and puts your motor in the severe usage catagory.
#181 of 391
Re: Need help with my first diesel buy??? (Dodge) [snowmanx] by banshee1
Aug 30, 2006 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: snowmanx (Aug 20, 2006 10:06 pm)

The answer is simple,Ford,Dodge,Chevy,take your pick. Or,Ford,toughest truck,weakest motor to date.Chevy,powerful motor,quiet interior,weak chassis.Dodge,nice truck,for some reason,everyone likes to put twin turbos and transmissions in them. If your'e not brand loyal,you should take everyone for a test drive and see which one you really like.I bought my 05' King Ranch F-350 without test driving it because I didn't need to. I'm a Ford guy.Just make sure you give your new truck the three STANDARD modifications;intake,exhaust,programmer.You will be happy and your truck will be happy.
#182 of 391
Re: Help w/ poor fuel economy 2006 cummins diesel [dwd] by bsouth
Aug 31, 2006 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: dwd (Aug 20, 2006 4:30 pm)

I've got a 2006 3500 Mega Cab Dually, 4x4 and my mileage is very similar to yours... They told me it would start creeping up at 5000 miles (I have about 6500 on it now), but it's actually going down.. about 14 on the highway (70-75mph) and about 11 towing (approx 13,000lb horse trailer loaded, 70-75 mph)..
 
I've heard the 20mpg stories too, but I'm not even close!!!

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