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Diesel Fuel Economy and chips

391 messages,  Last post on Oct 28, 2009 at 4:28 AM

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Re: IS IT OK? [dieseldan] by wpalkowski
Apr 18, 2005 (2:10 am)
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Replying to: dieseldan (Apr 14, 2005 5:02 pm)

Chipping your diesel won't necessarily ruin it. It depends on how "hot" a chip you put in. The big problem that results from a chip is that your exhaust gas temperatures (EGT) will go up. The exhaust gases are used to spin the turbo charger, which gives the engine more power and response. If the EGTs get too hot, you can damage the turbo charger over time - the heat starts cooking the bearings.
   
To prevent this, you'd need to have Pyrometer (basically a high temperature thermometer) installed in the exhaust stream before the turbo. If you're pushing the truck hard (like towing heavy up a long high) you'll see the EGT start to climb. Once it starts approaching 1100-1200 degrees, you'll have to back off and let things cool down. Drive according to what the Pyrometer tells you and the engine will be fine.
 
Now of course there are other issues too - if you put in too strong a chip, you can develop too much torque for the rest of your drive train and then possibly experience drivetrain problems, etc.
 
On that note. If you have an automatic and especially if you're towing, you should have a tranny temperature gauge installed. Those long slow hill climbs raise the tranny temp too. Once transmission temps go above around 250 degrees the transmission fluid cooks and the friction modifier additives in the fluid become compromised. Tranny damage will result if you keep driving for any length of time on the burned transmission fluid. You need to flush it, and change all the fluid. How soon you need to flush depends on how hot it got.
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Re: Diesel Fuel Economy and chips [savefuel] by glenn2ns
May 06, 2005 (7:11 pm)
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I'd be interested in the chip info as well (2006 6.0 PS diesel F250 - delivery in July)
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2005 F350 6.0L PS GOT 20 MPG! by trendom
May 21, 2005 (6:18 pm)
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I talked to a guy the other day that installed a performance module called the Workhorse and said he jumped his mileage from 15 to 20. He said he still got 17 pulling his boat. I think he bought it at www.888luvdiesel.com
 
He said it completely removed the turbo hesitation off the bottom.
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mileage by steveb3
May 25, 2005 (10:40 am)
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can't seem to locate james harland. I'm also interested in info on chips for a 2002 f250.7.3 diesel. primarily improved mileage but could use more power but without the pipes and gauges.any testimonials?
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Re: mileage [steveb3] by mullins87
May 27, 2005 (5:40 am)
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Replying to: steveb3 (May 25, 2005 10:40 am)

It's not recommended, but you can run a lower HP chip/tuner without gauges and exhaust mods. I ran a 75 HP Western Diesel Turbo Chip with no gauge or exhaust mods with no problems. I couldn't believe the difference that chip made. The performance increase, both running empty and towing, was amazing. As far as increased mileage, well I didn't see any. However, I suspect if the truck hadn't been so darn fun to drive, and I could've kept my foot out off the accelerator, my mileage would've gone over 20mpg. This was a '99 F-350 6-speed.
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Re: Dodge Sprinter Versus Duramax [eibli1cj] by joepajamas
May 30, 2005 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: eibli1cj (Apr 09, 2005 6:53 am)

Hello,
 
Do Not trust what any dealership tells you regarding mileage!!!! It is always lower than what they say... IF they want to sell you that high of a priced vehicle, take it out for a day and run a tank of diesel through it on the freeway, and see what the darn thing gets EMPTY. Once again, do not trust speculation. With that being said, i shall speculate regarding a vehicle i once owned. I had a 1996 Ford E-350 Powerstroke Diesel Van. Yes they made them, i am not sure if they still do. I worked as a runner during rock concerts, ( basically chore boy/ limo driver in disguise. people don't suspect talent in a big van) so usually i hauled 6-15 people around town and on the freeway. I also used the van when our band when on the road, we had 6 people in the rig, and towed a Wells Cargo trailer, single axle, with band gear and lighting equipment. We probably had 5-8klbs worth of crap, and people weight, between trailer and people in the van. I got routinely 14-16mpg, with the lethargic Ford 3 speed with overdrive auto tranny. I normally towed on the freeway at 65-70mph with overdrive on, even though owners manual said not to, ( our trailer was pretty light). I believe running people around town/ to airport, i got 14-17 mpg, light load mainly freeway. I checked my mileage alot, every fill up. Motor had between 80k- and 100k while i owned it.
 
     I have heard of Dodge Ram Non extended cab 5.9's with manual tranny getting unloaded 22mpg, but it has been word of mouth, and people normally exaggerate. The Sprinter may get high mileage if it is a lower displacement engine, but once again TEST DRIVE it like 300miles and fuel it up and CALCULATE the mileage, for your self..... NEVER EVER TRUST A DEALERSHIP.
 
     The one fellow i know that has a Duramax 3/4 ton extended cab says he gets 20ish. To me 20 ish means i was expecting to get 20 but i really got 17-18 unloaded. Seems to me people pay $35 k then expect magic results, thus creating the need for exagertation when the truth hits. Maybe it perform as well as people state, i wish EPA would make large trucks state mileage claims.
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Re: Dodge Sprinter Versus Duramax [eibli1cj] by joepajamas
May 30, 2005 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: eibli1cj (Apr 09, 2005 6:53 am)

Hello,
 
DO NOT TRUST Dealer CLAIMS,... YOU are spending the money, take the dam Truck out, and run 3/4 of a tank of fuel through it. The dealer better let you because they cannot provide in writing actual mileage estimates, for they have NONE. Once again Check the mileage yourself.
I owned a 1996 Ford E350 van with 2wd and 3sp/w Od tranny and got 13.9-18mpg.
I would think the Dodge 2wd with a 6spd tranny would get the best mileage, or the Duramax with simililar tranny and drivetrain. They weigh the least.
 
Good luck
 
Drive the spinter and make sure it performs as they say it will.
 
Joseph
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increase power in 04 jetta diesel by mhulsey
Jun 16, 2005 (10:20 pm)
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hello i am new here and i was wondering if anyone had any info on how to get more power from the 1.9 diesel without voiding the warranty? are there any performance chips or other things i can do to it while keeping the warranty, mileage and dependable the same or better? thanks
myles
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Re: increase power in 04 jetta diesel [mhulsey] by kcram HOST
Jun 18, 2005 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: mhulsey (Jun 16, 2005 10:20 pm)

Since the theme of this discussion is for heavy duty full-size pickups, you may want to check this discussion instead:
 
Volkswagen Owners: TDI Models
 
kcram - Pickups Host

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