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| I did see an SLR Mclaren today in river oaks [fancy old money suburb in Houston.] This did make my head snap. This is the second time I've seen this one. I've heard it belongs to the wife of Astros pitcher Roger Clemons. Again...neck snapping | |
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Replying to: esf (May 10, 2006 2:51 pm) RS model in America. Stated this in a previous post about there only being one RS model in America so far, whats the point of repeating it? Also in America- low sales. If you check into any place else in the world, I guarantee you that you would see more A4s, A6s and A8s than competing Mercedes-Benz or BMW models- especially in Germany. Again, irrelevant, we live in America...you know the place where Audi doesn't sell half as many cars as BMW or Mercedes. Secondly like I said earlier what you "see" doesn't mean squat, you have to check the sales numbers and uh...they say that Audi does not outsell BMW and Mercedes overall. The A8 in particular doesn't outsell e the S-Class in any market regardless of what you think you "see". Look up the numbers and quit dealing in fantasy. The new Audi R8 will be over $100,000 according to Audi- and it will kick any AMG 63 Mercedes! However, there is no Mercedes-Benz that is the R8's direct competition. The estimated $115,000 R8 V10 will compete with the $176,000 911 Turbo- which weighs more and costs much more. Seems as if Audi is stabbing its parent in the back! It should get Audi a great amount of attention from America especially. The base 4.2 V8 version, good for at least 430hp, will come to dealers in mid-2007. Isn't it wonderful to be able to base so much on guesswork. Wait until the car gets here and then talk. Until you know the specs for the R8 you don't know much if anything about what it will do or compete with. Porsche is not Audi's parent either. There is absolutely no way in hell that M produces more than AMG- they have about ten less models. Right now, M has four models- M Roadster/Coupe, M3, M5, M6. AMG has an AMG C, CL, CLK, CLS, E, G, GL in the works, M, R, S, SL, SLK. 12 models. M can't touch that- but, like dhamilton said, AMG is diluting itself, no matter how amazing the engines are (which they are). Did you actually read what I said? I said that M produces a lot of vehicles also. I did not say they produce more than AMG. Pay attention. My point was that worldwide they have nearly the same market penetration that AMG has. BMW sells a lot of M3s, many more than Mercedes does C55s or CLK55s. BMW's M models are all under or right at 100K and Mercedes has at least a 1/2 dozen that are at 100K or far more than 100K. You'd do better by looking up their worldwide numbers first, I bet they're a lot closer than you think. I bet that for S/CL/SL AMG model sold there are far more M3s sold thus likely balancing out their numbers and putting them a lot closer than you think since AMG is so diluted to you. M
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Replying to: esf (May 10, 2006 3:05 pm) There is no RS4 Cabrio coming here so guesses are just that as to how much it would cost, its matterless. The CLK63's V8 stomps the RS4's V8 anyway so you pay more you get more in that sense. Now your statement about the CLK500 is just plain silly because you're trying to blame Mercedes for being able to own a large piece of lucrative market that isn't Mercedes' fault they have a lock on the 4-seat Cabrio market while Audi struggles to move even 1000 Cabrios a month. What would you like Mercedes to do, stop the sales increase the CLK is currently having? There is nothing lowly about the S4 Cabriolet, awesome vehicle. Estimating from the RS4 sedan's $66,000 asking price, the RS4 Cabriolet will be... $72,000 (in euros). Therefore, it will be $10,000 less than the current CLK55 AMG- a true bargain. Also, my guestimate is justified. The S4 sedan starts at $48,000, and the S4 Cabriolet starts at $54,000, a $6,000 difference. Estimate, guesstimate...all the same...doesn't matter nothing is justified when the RS4 isn't coming here. You don't know what it would cost here. M |
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Replying to: dhamilton (May 10, 2006 3:15 pm) Neither of you guys seems to realize that I'm a huge Audi fan and understand fully the interest in seeing an Audi RS model. No AMG models can be had with a stickshift. There is no market or point of a stick shift in a AMG S/CL/SL. People that buy those cars don't want to row their own gears. The only AMG cars that really should get a stick are the SLK55, CLK63 (maybe) and C55 (definitely), not a S-Class or SL. Now a DSG style gearbox would be nice in a SL or CLS or E I guess, but that is some time off. The only Audi S/RS cars that have one are the A4 based models not the S6, RS6 or S8 so it isn't as if Audi some type of manual tranny believer either like some would have you believe or try to imply with what Audi will do. M |
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Replying to: merc1 (May 11, 2006 2:29 am) Ummm... okay, think what you want. You never mentioned that there was one RS model in America- you just stated that there has been one RS model. Period. Motorsport, by the way, does not produce a lot of cars as you stated- for some reason, I haven't seen an M3 in awhile. Not to say I see AMGs every day- but I definitely am more impressed when I see an RS or S Audi then seeing an AMG Mercedes-Benz. Completely off topic: it's a bit sad how Lexus is America's most popular luxury manufacturer. There are just too many Lexuses!!! My wife and I were at a stop light in the RX, and there was an ES in front of us, an RX300 beside us, and an LS430 behind us. At that very light, an LX470 drove by. Although I still love the LX for some reason, and never get tired of seeing them, it would be nice if the RX and ES weren't quite so commonplace- although they deserve to be. Another off-topic: merc, read my post in the E-Class room. I read the Insideline article, and was so impressed that I was almost prompted to put down a deposit on the E350 4Matic with the Sport Package and AirMatic suspension. '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX 330
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I'll bet you some people in the AMG CLs, SLs and S-Classes do want to row their own gears- in the ultimate luxury. A small minority of them, at least. By the way, I didn't just do "guesswork" for the specs on the new Audi R8. Plenty of the specs have been released- not guessed -in the latest magazines. I know the R8 will have an aluminum spaceframe, quattro AWD, and an optional V10; I know what it will look like, and I know it will have a relatively luxurious interior- Audi never lets us down in that respect. '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX 330
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Replying to: esf (May 13, 2006 6:44 am) Why would I need to? Don't we live in America? Motorsport, by the way, does not produce a lot of cars as you stated- for some reason, I haven't seen an M3 in awhile. Not to say I see AMGs every day- but I definitely am more impressed when I see an RS or S Audi then seeing an AMG Mercedes-Benz. Just because you haven't seen an M3 doesn't mean anything esf! I see M3s every day especially in Naperville. Ok so you're more impressed with seeing a S/RS Audi, I am too regarding the RS6, not the S4 which really doesn't stand out compared to all dressed up S-Line A4. Completely off topic: it's a bit sad how Lexus is America's most popular luxury manufacturer. There are just too many Lexuses!!! There is a group of people on the HELM board that would complete disagree with that! Lexus can't be and exclusive brand when most of their models cost less than 50K and their two best sellers are based on a Camry platform. Another off-topic: merc, read my post in the E-Class room. I read the Insideline article, and was so impressed that I was almost prompted to put down a deposit on the E350 4Matic with the Sport Package and AirMatic suspension. Gasp! Heading over there right now! M
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Replying to: esf (May 13, 2006 6:48 am) Yeah and some people would like a 1000hp for 35K. I can't see anyone wanting to row their own gears in a S-Class no matter what the model. Ditto for the S8 or any other larger German sedan. Now the Maser Quattroporte is a different story. By the way, I didn't just do "guesswork" for the specs on the new Audi R8. Plenty of the specs have been released- not guessed -in the latest magazines. I know the R8 will have an aluminum spaceframe, quattro AWD, and an optional V10; I know what it will look like, and I know it will have a relatively luxurious interior- Audi never lets us down in that respect. Yeah its called glancing at the Lamborghini Gallardo's specs and the LeManns Concept. I don't remember saying that you pulled anything about the R8 out of thing air esf. We all know what you've stated about the R8. M |
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