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Mazda MAZDA3, Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic, Car Comparisons, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
#891 of 1379 Re: comparing [eldaino][blueguydotcom] [600kgolfgt]
Mar 19, 2007 (9:02 am)
Not to mention that the Honda's "Fast and Furious" type popularity makes it an attractive target for thieves, thugs, and gangs. I'm pretty sure the insurance companies realize this as well - and charge ($$$$) accordingly...
your serious huh? This is great! Maybe this is true for a 1996 model, but i don't many 'thugs and gangsters' are eying grandma's civic hybrid, or mr. college students fit to steal it.
Man. Just what i needed on a monday morning.
#892 of 1379 Re: comparing [blueguydotcom]
Mar 19, 2007 (9:14 am)
I know some people look at it that way, but if there was ever a honda fan, i'm certainly one. If the moderators want me to take it off thats fine, i'll do it. I'm sure they don't want a bunch of email from people who are ignorant asking why they have not asked me to edit yet.
Since the term applies to ANY tricked out car done poorly, including american cars (look it up on wikipedia the first car shown is a dodge neon.), so for those who take offense, sorry but do your research.
My wife wants a mini too.
#893 of 1379 Re: comparing [aviboy97]
Mar 19, 2007 (9:16 am)
agreed avi. But we were just talking about possiblites. And not all who do this are that young anyway.
And its not just limited to the new civics, the older ones are even better as far as tuning potential goes, but then again, its an older car and some things (very important ones.) get comprimised.
#894 of 1379 Re: comparing [eldaino]
Mar 19, 2007 (10:09 am)
I hate the image personally, i think honda kinda hates it too
If you have seen the latest Honda Civic ad, I think you might have to change that statement.
The Ad shows 2 kids, once next to an Si, and the other next to a coupe, talking about their style, performance and resale. They are definalty targeting the young kid crowd. Honda makes a ton of money there, and they know it..
#895 of 1379 Re: comparing [aviboy97]
Mar 19, 2007 (11:11 am)
gosh really? Are you sure it isn't a local ad?
#896 of 1379 Re: comparing [eldaino]
Mar 19, 2007 (12:39 pm)
It's a Honda corporate commercial, not any local Honda dealer.
#897 of 1379 Re: comparing [eldaino][blueguydotcom] [600kgolfgt] [eldaino]
Mar 19, 2007 (5:23 pm)
Maybe this is true for a 1996 model, but i don't many 'thugs and gangsters' are eying grandma's civic hybrid, or mr. college students fit to steal it.
Don't take my word for it - ask the IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety).
This may not be true for the latest Hondas, but it still has that Fast and Furious Japanese car stigma (especially the Civic Si) that will probably stay with the brand for quite some time... Unfortunately the car will get lumped with the Subaru WRX and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions of the world.
Having "Street Cred" is a double-edged sword, as it may also mean being a car that attracts unwanted attention from the "wrong element"...
#898 of 1379 Re: comparing [eldaino]
Mar 19, 2007 (5:40 pm)
Avi is right, it is a national commercial - I've seen it here in B'ham, and it doesn't advertise a particular dealer.
#899 of 1379 Re: comparing [eldaino][blueguydotcom] [600kgolfgt] [eldaino] [600kgolfgt]
Mar 19, 2007 (6:43 pm)
"Don't take my word for it - ask the IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety)"
One has to be careful not to paint the insurance picture with too broad a brush. My own, I repeat my own, insurance agent has given me 6 month figures for the GTI, MS3 and Civic SI sedan and the the GTI is the most expensive to insure followed by the MS3 and Civic SI. Now, for someone like me (M,age 50, excellent driving record, small midwest city the difference between the the GTI and Civic amounts to about $100/year.
I actually like all three cars. Unfortunately, the closest Mazda dealership is 45 miles away and the closest VW dealer is 70 miles. I test drove the Civic SI sedan today and will test a MS3 tomorrow. The VW is just a bit above my price threshold and the dealership is too far to drive for scheduled service. There is a Honda dealer in my town willing to deal on the SI and they are offering 2.9% financing. I have to admit that a hatchback would be more useful though. I'm currently driving a 94 civic, but have owned a Golf as well. It's hard to see how one could go wrong with any of the three choices--until a better picture emerges of how each ages/depreciates. I do wish the Civic SI was available as a hatchback for a better head-to-head comparison with the MS3 and GTI.
#900 of 1379 You all know that Honda wants it!
Mar 19, 2007 (8:20 pm)
Remember a Honda TV commercial just a few years ago? It seems that a decent young couple in a Civic at night was suddenly surrounded/followed at by a huge bunch of young (& even gang like) kids all in their sooped up Civics. Then there's the "Civic Nation" written on the screen, while rap music was playing in the back ground. So, kids, drive a Civic, & you might even win gangs' support!
How did you think Honda became a best seller & a very profitable company? They cover up warning lights & lie about odometer reading, respectably. While BMW happens to turn on too many warning lights.
No, serious, Honda engines & transmissions are great. They just got a little cheap by removing Civic/Integra's front Double Wishbone suspension. That's why I chose to collect a 2000 Civic hatch & left it overseas in a crowded city so I don't have to find a rental car on my annual summer vacation there. & I've been bragging about how small the exterior is for a car w/ front-&-rear Double Wishbones, which give me amazing road holding & balanced drifts even w/ soft suspension & non-high-performance tires! But the car is still no fun 'cause the steering feel sucks.