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Mazda MAZDA3, Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic, Car Comparisons, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
May 14, 2005 (4:09 pm)
Thats why the comparison is for the GTI vs the Mazdaspeed3
My bad, lots of subscriptions. Still baffled why the press release had the mazdaspeed3 so slow on 0-60 runs. ??? Strange with all that power you'd assume the car would be more spritely. And going off the idea of FWD, we can't blame weight gain like the AWD setup on the Mazdaspeed6 (a car that is a major let down for me).
Kudos on the interior though. Ive admitted in the past Im a fan of VW interiors.
Mazda did a great job if you compare the 3 to the Pro. They're definitely way more upmarket now.
I really have few complaints about my Mazda3 at highway speeds. I regularly ride in a 2003 Cadillac STS and 2002 Audi A4 (Parents cars). I really cant tell much difference.
I'm sure I could as my friend's Mazda3 is fun but at 85-90 it's making quite a racket on the freeway.
Cant say anything about the DSG. Ive heard its good. Until then, the shifter on the 3 is the best I have ever used. Besides, I like to row my own gears. Thats half the fun.
And with a dsg you row your own gears too. Why do people think you don't? Yes there's an option for D/S but the paddle shifters and the manual mode are the real attraction of the tranny. The DSG GTI is 0.3 seconds faster to 60 than the manual GTI. That's precisely because the manual mode and dual clutches of the DSG allow you to shift faster than any human can slap from first to second. Clutch in, move lever, clutch out v. click, millisecond shift.
Go drive an A3 DSG. You'll probably be amazed at how that tranny's so fast and yet liquid smooth. I'm rarely blown away by technology. That thing amazed me.
#78 of 1379 So how do you leave the DSC in neutral while rolling?
May 14, 2005 (4:49 pm)
I've heard Beemer's robotic box can do that if hold both levers in or something like that.
#79 of 1379 Re: Auto maintainenance and collective guilt [creakid1]
May 14, 2005 (6:05 pm)
I love the style of those early Giugiaro-designed Sciroccos - I had a 1975 (replaced the troublesome Zenith carburetor with a 2-bbl Weber downdraft and swapped the ignition points with an electronic ignition module) - and I loved driving it (even drove cross-country three times with it - especially through a December snowstorm in Utah) - until a tractor-trailer decided to occupy the same lane I was driving in...
VWVortex has an early Scirocco as one of their featured cars. A modified VW 16v engine (from a 16v Scirocco) was retrofitted in that 1800 lb body. The car absolutely shreds!!!
#80 of 1379 Re: Biggus [blueguydotcom]
May 15, 2005 (9:07 am)
As far as the road noise, you may be right. Living in downtown Minneapolis doesnt allow me to drive my car much past 70. There may be lots of road noise as those speeds, but when you are doing 90, do you really care?
As far as the DSG goes, It just doesnt sound appealing to me. I enjoy using a clutch. I enjoy running through the gears, double-clutching, and having an excuse not to have other people drive my car. DSG may be faster than I will ever be, but I just dont see the excitement in hitting a paddle or blipping a stick straight up or down. Its undoubtably a great innovation, just not my cup of tea.
#81 of 1379 Re: Auto maintainenance and collective guilt [creakid1]
May 15, 2005 (9:25 am)
"Mazda3's high dose of oversteer might not be much of a winner when comes to slippery unfamiliar twisty roads."
I have never heard anyone complain about oversteer in a FWD car. After all, oversteer requires the rear wheels to get loose, generally from trying to drive them when they are being pushed to their limits. Did you mean understeer?
#82 of 1379 Re: Biggus [biggus3]
May 15, 2005 (9:26 am)
There may be lots of road noise as those speeds, but when you are doing 90, do you really care?
Yes I do. 90 on the freeway is pretty normal for me,so it does matter. On road trips it definitely matters. i've had my 330i well over 100 for extended drives and the car was still quiet and smooth.
#83 of 1379 Re: Auto maintainenance and collective guilt [biggus3]
May 15, 2005 (9:28 am)
I have never heard anyone complain about oversteer in a FWD car. After all, oversteer requires the rear wheels to get loose, generally from trying to drive them when they are being pushed to their limits. Did you mean understeer?,/I>
he probably does mean understeer. Regardless, with my Protege it is pretty easy to induce oversteer and with my old modded Jetta this was also true. Sure makes the cars more fun.
#84 of 1379 I really meant oversteer
May 15, 2005 (10:36 am)
When I test drove the '90 Protege & almost spun out during trail-throttle cornering at about 35 mph, I bought the car anyway thinking I could compensate by adding more air in the back -- how ignorant of me! This early-version TTL (Twin Trapezoid Links) rear suspension is a faulty design. Even C&D had a "heart in the mouth" moment on the FWY ramps. TTL, at least the earlier one, is primitive & changes the camber too much. So even w/ the built-in toe-in movement, it still can't hold the road & will end up in the point of no return. Even the less aggressive set up in the Escort still requires, according to C&D, throttle rather than counter steer in order to correct the oversteer. In this case, It can get you into trouble. Because some slow poke blocked me on a FWY ramp before, & I couldn't use the gas to counter my Protege's oversteer.
The 4-link Control Blades, which is originally from the Focus, is much better than the TTL when comes to providing smooth & predictable oversteer. My Focus ST can oversteer (actually 4-wheel drift) only if you provoke it, so it's very tossable in just about any situation. Oversteer happens much more often in the Mazda3, whether you're beating a left-turn yellow light or simply twisting the steering wheel doing abrupt lane change on the FWY. I had fun fine-tuning the 3S's oversteer/neutral/understeer balance by fluctuating the throttle when beating a yellow light making a left turn, & that 3S had 205/55-16 (My ST has 205/50-16). But, still, I can imagine how I can't react in time in the Mazda3 if the road is slippery -- this car needs the DSC option in certain situations.
May 15, 2005 (3:53 pm)
I like oversteer. Makes the car fun.
#86 of 1379 Re: I really meant oversteer [creakid1]
May 16, 2005 (9:21 am)
"But, still, I can imagine how I can't react in time in the Mazda3 if the road is slippery -- this car needs the DSC option in certain situations."
Maybe Im wrong, but I cant think of a single economy car with stability control. It defeats the purpose of economy car. Besides, most stability control systems, less the really nice expensive ones from the likes of Porsche and who not, are intrusive and would damage the sporting character of the car. That and there are quite a few people around here who enjoy sliding the rear end out a little. Is there any Mazda with DSC?