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Mazda MAZDA3, Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic, Car Comparisons, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
#472 of 1379 Re: Parking Lots: For Groceries or Autocross? [doubleohseven]
Oct 09, 2006 (12:21 pm)
For every ones information, I have owned 3 VW GTI's in the past. A 1987 GTI, a 1998 GTI VR6 and a 2001 GTI 1.8T. All three were fun cars initially. However, all had reliability issues. I think the main problem with VW's in general is the amount of electronic gizmo's they put on them. They always seem to go first. The 2001 GTI's power locks kept going out. Replaced engine coils not once but three times. I really wanted to like VW, just ended up on the dark side and bought the Civic Si, which, by the way, I really like. It is a fun car. Now, 4 years down the road, who knows what I will buy. For now, the SI fills the need. My brother owned a 1972 Mazda RX2. A little rotary that was really fast. Problem was with the Apex seals. Burned alot of oil. From what I can see, they still have some issues with the rotary engine. Too bad, I would really like to see a sedan version of the rotary come out.
#473 of 1379 Re: Parking Lots: For Groceries or Autocross? [carfanatic007]
Oct 09, 2006 (12:31 pm)
Yeesh, a 2001 VW?
That was the worst year for VW reliability. Ever since then, VW has been gradually improving.
At least, though, the new GTI's for sale in America are made in Germany instead of Brazil.
That should help correct a lot of the problems.
#474 of 1379 Re: Parking Lots: For Groceries or Autocross? [aviboy97]
Oct 09, 2006 (12:43 pm)
Hmmm, good thought...I'll do more research on MS6. I know the car was a disappointment but the engine is another matter.
Increasingly seems I'll go MS3. GF prefers it to the GTI. I miss my old GTI, but I suspect my mechanic does too.
Oct 09, 2006 (12:52 pm)
Now I wonder how a turbo Civic would do against the Mazdaspeed on the track. It's been pointed out that the Honda has better balance and torque-steer doesn't seem to be an issue. GReddy offers a failt inexpensive full turbo kit that boosts the stock HP up to 147. If you run the numbers, this gives the Honda a better power to weight ratio (which I think counts more than overall power, right? Correct me if I'm wrong) than the Mazda. That peaked my interest.
With the advent of the new K-series Turbo i-vtec that Honda/Acura placed in the new RDX SUV, I wonder if a Civic version isn't far down the line, considering the Civic's engine is also a K-series. I'd love to see how a turbo Civic would fare against a Mazdaspeed3. I think the Mazda's bulk might catch up to it, but then again, this brings us into the realm of modifications, which is a whole other forum right there
#476 of 1379 Re: Honda Turbo [pepedlux]
Oct 09, 2006 (12:58 pm)
So now you're modding the civic si? So the car is no longer stock. Guess one could chip the Mazdaspeed3, toss on a new intake, exhaust, etc. The game never ends if you bring up modding.
I agree about the last part of your post. i'd love to see the RDX's engine in the TSX and Civic Si.
#477 of 1379 Re: Parking Lots: For Groceries or Autocross? [carfanatic007]
Oct 09, 2006 (1:09 pm)
"I really wanted to like VW, just ended up on the dark side and bought the Civic Si, which, by the way, I really like. It is a fun car. Now, 4 years down the road, who knows what I will buy."
If you really like your Si, then you should get another Si. Life is NOT a never-ending series of stop-light battles or canyon-carving matches. For the 'car fanatic' it all comes down to what vehicle best pushes YOUR buttons. In your case, it may well be the Civic Si. And you needn't make any apologies for it. But we don't all have the same buttons.
Just because the Speed3 may put down better numbers DOESN'T mean, FOR EVERYONE, it will be the better car. At the same time however, just because YOU have a soft spot for Hondas doesn't mean that the Honda is, de facto, the better car.
Personally, I had 3 Hondas after HS: an '84 CRX, '86 CRX Si, and a '91 Civic Si. Then I went ended up on the REAL 'dark side' with a '93 Mustang LX5.0 (which was a real blast in a completely different vein), and finally my current '00 Celica GTS. ALL of those cars were 'fun' cars in their own way. Just as the current Si, GTI, and Speed3 are all 'fun' cars in their own way.
I think the biggest problem that some of us have in here is what seems to be a complete dismissal of the Speed3 DESPITE the fact that no of us have driven one and despite the fact that (AFAIK) the car has garnered virtually universal praise by the automotive media.
#478 of 1379 Re: Honda Turbo [pepedlux]
Oct 09, 2006 (1:22 pm)
"Now I wonder how a turbo Civic would do against the Mazdaspeed on the track."
Probably better than a stock Civic.
I wonder what a GReddy kit would do to your powertrain warranty? I wonder what a stock Speed3 would do with some of the upcoming Mazdaspeed parts? I wonder if Mazda will see fit to produce their Kabura concept car (2600 lb RWD coupe with a 3+1 seating configuration based on Miata mechanicals)? I wonder how a Kabura would do with the Speed3 motor? I wonder if a Civic Si would need a JATO bottle on the roof to keep up?
Which begs the question - is this some sort of acknowledgement that a stock Civic Si doesn't match up well with a stock Speed3?
#479 of 1379 Re: Honda Turbo [rorr]
Oct 09, 2006 (1:34 pm)
mmmm Kabura. They need a drool icon!
#480 of 1379 Re: Honda Turbo [blueguydotcom]
Oct 09, 2006 (1:59 pm)
I think the only thing stopping the production of the Kabura is that it would kill RX-8 sales. Just my 0.02.
#481 of 1379 Re: Honda Turbo [rorr]
Oct 09, 2006 (2:03 pm)
Wow Rorr, you so intelligent. You amaze me with your logic. LMAO