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#370 of 1379 Re: Premium in the MS3? [riposte]
Sep 06, 2006 (12:58 pm)
f $500 is that dear to you, then buy a regular Civic or Mazda3. Not only will you save a couple of thousand $$, you'll get better fuel mileage, AND they take regular gas.
Maybe you didn't catch that I found the savings nice. My current car - a 2006 330i - gets 20 mpg, which is what I would expect to get with a Mazdaspeed3. There are few reasons this gets old:
1. I'm forced to get gas once a week.
2. I'm fond of my money and when the fun-to-cost ratio isn't in order (like say with my BMW), I begin to wonder if I'd like to put that money into other things (blinds for a room, a new fence, 401k, savings, another vacation, more sushi, etc).
3. San Diego gas will in all likelihood break $4.00 a gallon in the near future. Each jump in price means every MPG makes a big difference. I spent a few hundred dollars driving around Europe in April. Expensive gas and cruddy gas mileage don't make for fun roadtrips.
The GTI's 25 mpg offers a substantial boost for both 1 and 2. Perhaps the MS3 will be a blast to drive - or at least more fun than my BMW - and thus I won't mind getting gas constantly and paying out $2500 a year for gas.
I wasn't talking about the regular v. premium debate. There's a performance difference when one cheaps out on gas. The performance gap between a GTI and Mazdaspeed3 could be wide but I'm betting it's gonna come down to Pepsi v. Coke. The GTI's got DSG, better mileage and fit/finish that only Audi trumps. The Mazda's got cat-like reflexes, lower ride height and Mazda reliability. Same prices approximately. The Mazdaspeed's more of a race car for the street - closer to the archaic WRX/STI and Evo but lacking in the AWD. The GTI's the long distance hauler that can be juiced up nicely with a few suspension and engine mods (strong aftermarket support too).
I'm not saying gas mileage alone will cause me to withdraw my deposit on a Mazdaspeed3. That the dealer is now saying end of October may be the cause of that..
#374 of 1379 Re: Premium in the MS3? [aviboy97]
Sep 07, 2006 (4:48 pm)
"Where I am (Fairfield County, CT), premium is only $3.09 and regular is $2.91."
I just filled up today, at a station that I usually go to just outside of Minneapolis, and paid $2.429 for 91 octane. If I had opted for either 87 OR 89 octane, I would have paid $2.399, just 3 cents a gallon less. 3 cents is this station's normal premium/regular differential, so for me it makes paying for premium a non-issue.
For the foreseeable future, gas prices generally appear to be headed down.
#375 of 1379 Re: Premium in the MS3? [JBaumgart]
Sep 08, 2006 (5:19 am)
For you guys at CT & at Minneapolis, where you can easily find a station with 91 Octane and the price is only 5 cents difference for 87 & 91, you are lucky not to bother about the premium difference, here in NE around Delaware, MD or Pennsylvania where you seldom find 91 except in some Sunoco. and the price differece between 87 and 93 is from 30 cents to 40 cents difference. You may be tempted to fill in regular 87.
#376 of 1379 Re: MS3 vs GTI [dmclone]
Sep 09, 2006 (9:30 am)
I read somewhere that the MS3 would be a 5.5s 0-60 car or so if it didn't have to shift to 3rd. But then again, maybe many other cars would, but it gives an idea of the power avail. It can pull 50-75mph in 3rd gear faster than a Porsche 997 carerra 2. It would be great for highway passing. The only thing I am worried about is a ride that may be much stiffer than the Si or Cooper S, otherwise it would be perfect.
#377 of 1379 Re: Premium in the MS3? [JBaumgart]
Sep 09, 2006 (9:57 am)
> For the foreseeable future, gas prices generally appear to be headed down.
Until the day after the mid-term elections. Then we'll see gas prices rise faster than the space shuttle...
#378 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [baggs32]
Sep 09, 2006 (10:07 am)
>The best way to compare performance data is to take it from a head-to-head comparo which I'm sure we'll see for the Si, GTI, and MPS3 very soon.
The MazdaSpeed 3 and the GTI are the only cars utilizing direct-injection (in addition to turbocharged) engines in this class - which is why they have the edge in low-end torque...
#379 of 1379 Drove a GTI 4 door DSG last night
Sep 09, 2006 (10:33 am)
GTI, 4 door, package 1, DSG, rear airbags, 18s. United Gray.
First, this car is, for me, so much better looking as a 4 door. The two door looks wide, tall and squat. This sucker is looks a decent length, the rear doors break up the sides and I live the rear view of the car for some odd reason. Helping the look, VW lowered the GTI for 07, so it's 22mm lower than the 06 models. Wow, what a difference 1 inch makes.
This was the cloth interior package (#1) - my first time in one - and I found it pretty comfy. My girlfriend immediataly complained about the tacky pattern on the seats. Okay, so if this is the car, leather it is.
I like the interior and feel of the 4 door more too. I've had mostly 4 doors in my life and i like having the b pillar right next to me. Can't explain it. But I like it. The extra length of the GTI 4 door made the car seem more open and roomy too**. The back's got good space and the upright seating position means even 6 footers can get behind me comfortably.
Love that trunk. Yeah it's not as deep as my 330i but the hatch action is awesome (BMW should incorporate that emblem trunk operation instead of their moronic little rubber button). Space is good, tall and close. Seats fold in a myriad of ways too. All the interior seems inteligently designed. One side note, the driving position, if when I kept the seat low, made me feel like I was sitting inside a tub. The dash is just too darned high.
So on to the drive. Last time I felt the 06 GTI 2 door was wobbly and too darned tall. The lowered ride height helps but the car still seems top heavy and in sweepers the understeer and teetering feeling kicked in no matter how I approached corners. From tracking my 330is I've been taught how to approach the line and get the car level and pointed in the right way...but that's for a RWD car. This puppy just wanted to understeer if I hit the corner already turning, at the turn or late into the corner. Still it hugged the road better than most cars but the lean and feeling of understeer became a tad frustrating. A sway would probably help and maybe even more lowering.
The engine's flat awesome. It pulled better than my 06 330i. Quite simply that 2.0T is a dream. Ripping onto the freeway a few time my girlfriend expressed shock at home much better the car pulls from 0 to 100 than my current car. The engine growl also added to the visceral fun of accelerating. You know the car's built for playing when you get on it hard. Obviously, the 400 lbs weight advantage for the GTI 4 door also helps make the power-to-weight better.
I attribute the following to the otherwise insanely fun DSG: the torque would come on with a squit. The car would start rolling at 1200 or so rpm and at 2000 the damned car would take off suddenly. I squealed the tires many times on launch. I'd say the dsg and my experience driving BMW manuals (you have to give Bimmers serious gas to get their fat butts moving) contributed to the squeal problem.
The 18s have to go. The road noise inside the cabin was ridiculous. We hopped into my 330i after the drive and immediately we both noticed that road roar wasn't present v. the GTI. Heck, the 3's got lousy runflats too, yet the tire noise wasn't nearly as severe. I'd like to try a GTI with 17s (I'm through with 18s) as that may cure the drone we heard.
On our 45 minute test drive - the guy gave us the keys and we split - we visited my sister so we could get feedback on their thoughts (overall positive). She and her husband loved the space, the packaging and the price. The gas mileage is nothing to sneeze at eiher, as that would represent a 25% base increase for me (I tend to get city mileage in my mixed driving).
Overall I'm conflicted now. The 07 GTI 4 door is a car I could live with easily. The power's great, the DSG addictive and the space, efficiency and cost all make this car an insane bargain. At 25k MSRP (figure 2k lower after dealing) it's hard to think much compares. I love the little growl the car makes at WOT - mentally it's so much more fulfilling than the dullness of the 330i at WOT.
That said, the FWD understeer of the car and the body leaning got on my nerves. Driving in my 330i the seating position felt much lower and natural (my old 46 had the perfect driving position, the e90 it's pretty good). The 330i's cornering attitude really does trump the GTI by a wide margin. Some say the GTI can whip through a slalom faster and maybe it can. But the chassis gives every indication that the car is going cause a flip or a serious slide when hitting corners fast. And finally the din. I'm assuming it's the 18s. If it isn't, then at 80+ the car's pretty darned loud. Not a deal breaker.
At this point, I'm left running numbers and trying to decide if I can put up with 11-12 more months of my 330i (BMW usually offers a lease buyout with 6 months left on the lease). The GTI 4 door offers a great value being fun, efficient, small, and hints of of luxury. My girlfriend thinks I'm more in love with the DSG and the size of the vehicle than the overall car: she contends i'm drawn to the turbo's power, the DSG's quickness and the smaller, lighter car without really enjoying the drive nearly as much. She could be right. Damn BMW for not selling a small car here!!! Her take: wait for BMW to release a DSG-like tranny and snatch up a massive 335i sedan in 08 in Europe.
Now if VW put 4 motion in this bugger...well argh. VW should release the R32 in the 4 door model here too. they've got it all over the world but here. From a Top Gear review I watched online that car looks like stupid fun for 32k.
** On the VW Boards people are saying the 2 and 4 door are the same length; they felt decidely different to me.