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#357 of 1379 Stats from M/T by carfanatic007

Sep 05, 2006 (11:22 pm)

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  2006 Honda Civic SI 2006 Volkswagen GTI
Powertrain/Chassis
Drivetrain layout Front engine, FWD Front engine, FWD
Engine type I-4 alum block/head Turbocharged I-4 iron block/alum head
Valvetrain DOHC 4 valves/cyl DOHC 4 valves/cyl
Displacement 121.9 cu in / 1998 cc 121.0 cu in / 1984 cc
Compression ratio 11.0:1 10.3:1
Power (SAE NET) 197 hp 7800 rpm 200 hp 5100 rpm
Torque (SAE NET) 139 lb-ft 6200 rpm 207 lb-ft 1800 rpm
Redline 8000 rpm 6500 rpm
Weight to power 14.6 lb/hp 15.7 lb/hp
Transmission 6-speed manual 6-speed manual
Axle/final-drive ratios 4.77:1 / 3.14:1 3.09:1 / 2.87:1
Suspension, front; rear Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar
Steering ratio 13.6:1 15.6:1
Turns lock-to-lock 2.7 3.0
Brakes, f;r 11.8-in vented disc; 10.2-in disc; ABS 12.3-in vented disc; 11.3-in disc, ABS
Wheels 17 x 7.0, cast aluminum 17 x 7.0, cast aluminum
Tires 215/45R17 91W, Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 225/45R17 91H, Continental ContiProContact
Dimensions
Wheelbase 104.3 in 101.5 in
Track, f/r 59.0 / 60.1 in 60.4 / 59.7 in
Length x width x height 174.8 x 68.9 x 53.5 in 165.8 x 69.3 x 58.4 in
Turning circle 35.6 ft 35.8 ft
Curb weight 2871 lb 3143 lb
Weight dist, f/r 61 / 39 % 62 / 38 %
Seating capacity 5 5
Headroom, f/r 37.8 / 34.7 in 39.3 / 38.5 in
Legroom, f/r 42.6 / 30.3 in 41.2 / 35.3 in
Shoulder room, f/r 53.9 / 52.1 in 54.7 / 54.6 in
Cargo volume 11.5 cu ft 15.1 cu ft
Test Data
Acceleration to mph
0-30 2.4 sec 2.2 sec
0-40 3.5 3.4
0-50 4.8 4.6
0-60 6.3 6.3
0-70 8.2 8
0-80 10.5 10.4
0-90 13.4 13.2
0-100 16.6 16.4
Passing, 45-65 mph 3.4 3.1
Quarter Mile 14.9 sec 94.7 mph 14.7 sec 94.8 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 117 ft 119 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.89 g avg 0.83 g avg
MT figure eight 26.8 sec 0.64 g avg 27.2 sec 0.63 g avg
Top-gear revs 60 mph 2700 rpm 2400 rpm
Consumer Info
Base price $20,540 $22,620
Price as tested $22,790 $24,175
Stability/traction control No/no Yes/yes
Airbags Dual front, front side, f/r curtain Dual front, front side, f/r curtain
Basic warranty 3 yrs/36,000 miles 4 yrs/50,000 miles
Powertrain warranty 3 yrs/36,000 miles 5 yrs/60,000 miles
Roadside assistance 3 yrs/36,000 miles 4 yrs/unlimited miles
Fuel capacity 13.2 gal 14.5 gal
EPA city/hwy econ 22 / 31 mpg 23 / 32 mpg
MT fuel economy 22 mpg 20 mpg
Recommended fuel Unleaded premium Unleaded premium
 
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#358 of 1379 Re: Stats from M/T [carfanatic007] by dc_driver

Sep 06, 2006 (6:29 am)

Replying to: carfanatic007 (Sep 05, 2006 11:22 pm)
If you are going to post something that long, at least edit the garbage out.

#359 of 1379 Re: Stats from M/T [dc_driver] by rorr

Sep 06, 2006 (6:47 am)

Replying to: dc_driver (Sep 06, 2006 6:29 am)
Forget it. Some folks can't be reached. He's happy with his Si (and probably has a 24" "Type-R" vinyl graphic in the rear window and a 4" exhaust tip).
 
The ONLY thing he's said lately that made any sense was when he said the Speed3 doesn't even compare to the Si.
 
He's right.

#360 of 1379 Re: Stats from M/T [carfanatic007] by rorr

Sep 06, 2006 (6:55 am)

Replying to: carfanatic007 (Sep 05, 2006 11:22 pm)
Hey! Thanks for all the stats on the Si vs. the GTI.
 
From a quick perusal of the stats, I find that the GTI is faster to ALL speeds (despite the Si having a substantial power/weight advantage. Huh, who wudda thunk it? I guess TORQUE does count for something) AND has a lot more interior room.
 
For an Si fanboy, you don't seem to be making your point very well......

#361 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [carfanatic007] by baggs32

Sep 06, 2006 (6:56 am)

Replying to: carfanatic007 (Sep 05, 2006 11:11 pm)
I doubt that the vaunted Mazdaspeed 3 will beat those numbers by much, if at all.

 
It will beat every one of those numbers, guaranteed.
 
I showed you the base Mazda3 because it's numbers aren't all that far off from the Si's numbers. MAZDASPEED tuned cars tend to out-perform their base cousins by a wide margin and I don't think anyone around here, with the exception of you, doubts the MAZDASPEED3 will be any different.
 
BTW, Edmuds slalom speed for the base Mazda3 5-door with an automatic tranny was 69 mph. That beats your Si according to them. Now consider that the MPS3 will handle even better and do you think it's still going to lose to the Si? 0-60 under 6 seconds, 1/4 mile in the low 14s (maybe even high 13s) not convincing enough either?
 
You can't compare numbers from two different sources. They all test differently and pulling the best numbers you find regardless of the source is just silly. Just look at Edmunds 0-60 time for the Si. 6.8 seconds is what they got which is a big difference from what MT got but yet tested on the same day under the same conditions as the 68.5 slalom speed. The best way to compare performance data is to take it from a head-to-head comparo which I'm sure we'll see for the Si, GTI, and MPS3 very soon.

#362 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [baggs32] by rorr

Sep 06, 2006 (6:58 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (Sep 06, 2006 6:56 am)
"0-60 under 5 seconds"
 
Well, let's not get carried away with the hyperbole.....

#363 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [rorr] by baggs32

Sep 06, 2006 (7:02 am)

Replying to: rorr (Sep 06, 2006 6:58 am)
Well, let's not get carried away with the hyperbole.....
 
Oops! Typo. I fixed it. Should read 0-60 under 6 seconds.

#364 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [baggs32] by rorr

Sep 06, 2006 (7:07 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (Sep 06, 2006 7:02 am)
I figured as much. It looked like you were on a roll though. I like one of your earlier posts: I also think our favorite contributor in this forum may be suspiciously absent as soon as the first head-to-head comparos are published.
 
Seeing as how he's SUCH a big fan of stats.......

#365 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [carfanatic007] by aviboy97

Sep 06, 2006 (8:56 am)

Replying to: carfanatic007 (Sep 05, 2006 11:11 pm)
I doubt that the vaunted Mazdaspeed 3 will beat those numbers by much, if at all.
 
Look at these numbers and which is the probabal winner (Bold text denotes advantage):
 
Horse power:
      Si 197 MS3 263
Torque:
      Si 139 MS3 280
 
Weight-HP ratio:
      Si 14.6 MS3 11.8
Weight-TQ ratio:
      Si 20.7 MS3 11.1
Standard Tires:
      Si All-season Radials P215/45 R17 87V
      MS3 Summer Radials P215 45 R18 93Y
 
I think the 0-60 6.3 M/T time will be beat, as well as Edmunds time of 6.8 for the Si.
 
Also, on a side note. Fuel economy. I know this is not of too much importance when purchasing vehicles like these, but, with only a 3mpg city, 4mpg highway EST advantage for the Civic, that hardly looks impressive considering the MS3 is .3L larger, and boasts 66 more horses and 141 more lbs. of Tq.

#366 of 1379 Premium in the MS3? by blueguydotcom

Sep 06, 2006 (12:16 pm)

Will the Mazdaspeed3 require premium? I assume so. One big drawback of the car is the 20/28 mpg rating. I suspect given my driving style that'd be 20 mpg for me like my 330i (20/30 rating). The GTI DSG's 25/31 gets my eyebrow up as 25 mpg doesn't sound awful. $500 a year savings on the gas bill is hard to sneeze at (15k miles at $3.30 a gallon).
 
Weight of the MS3 seems to be around 3100 lbs. How'd they add so much weight to the car?!

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