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Mazda MAZDA3, Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic, Car Comparisons, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
#338 of 1379 Re: In the middle on this... [carfanatic007]
Sep 01, 2006 (2:05 pm)
I don't know where you get that impression from. I sure didn't. It has as much as the GTI or many other "performance cars".
Driven around town there is a decided difference in how the Si gets moving v. the immediate 200 ft-lbs of the GTI. I enjoyed revving my buddy's Si but not so much I'd want to spend every day on the north side of 5k for everyday driving.
Motor Trend preferred it over the GTI as did Edmunds as a matter of fact.
So? I didn't. I'm buying. They aren't.
Reviews give it anywhere from 6.5 to 6.9 seconds in the 0-60. Plus it out handles the GTI by a long stretch in both reviews.
Yeah, it's a tighter car in all respects. the handling is sharper but the trade-off is a really, really skateboardy ride. The whole chassis reacts to road imperfections. Some like that feel - the guys with cut springs for instant. I prefer to feel the imperfection through my steering wheel a la BMW/Mazda and to a lesser degree VW.
So I would say your opinion is in the minority and quite biased since you supposedly "drove your friends SI" and that is where you made your opinion.
Ugh...this kind of ad hominem attack makes talking in a civil manner to some people very difficult.
In the end, the Si is a nice deal for 20k. But the engine is loud and buzzy in an Orange County way. The ride's harsh but provides good cornering. The engine's fun to zip up and the car has a typically sublime Honda tranny (far better than anything from Mazda, VW, BMW, etc...well anyone save the Mazda MX-5 NA and NB). But the engine's lack of torque means I must constantly wring it out and even then it lacks the forceful power I desire (hell my last two 3.0 liter BMWs matched to 6 speeds have felt gutless too, so I'm sorta demanding).
The GTI's - highs:
1. The ride's comfortable and offers some sport. A 288 mm sway and a lowering kit wouldn't hurt the ride quality and would definitely improve the car's handling. hopefully shifting it from understeer to at least neutral or preferably oversteer prone.
2. Additionally, the Xenon option makes this an easy decision for me. I won't go back to halogens. Ever again. Two cars with Xenon and I'm sold for life.
3. Finally, the GTI's engine is easily tuned for 250hp/300tq - $700 gets you shove-you-back power on tap all the time. Short of a several thousand dollar install of a sc or turbo, there's no way to make an Si develop the sort of torque I crave.
4. Interior refinement is just the class of the segment and really most cars.
1. VW build quality. Well, all german cars - save porsche - are poorly made. VW continues a longstanding tradition. My BMWs were built like a mentally challenged monkey assembled them and my last VW was the same way.
2. See 1.
3. See 2.
Mazdaspeed3 - highs
1. Great handling in the 3 2.3i hatch (the hatch is a must have anyway for me) and my affinity for Mazda handling (they're the BMW of Japan when it comes to roadfeel/handling) puts this car at the top of my list.
3. Reliability. Owned many mazdas and so has the fam - rock solid, best cars made for people who like to drive hard, imho. Yes empirically, this doesn't appear true. But in my little world, Mazdas have been the best cars around - mixing fun, great chassis design and reliability.
4. Power - the turbo in the MS6 is a fun engine. Like all turbos, there's chipping potential.
Mazdaspeed3 - lows:
1. Crud gearing that makes 6th anything but a cruising gear.
2. Lousy Mazda resale value.
3. It will sell for below invoice by December.
4. Bad mazda dealership service.
5. Bad mileage.
BTW, 6.9 0-60 is anemic for what I'm used to. My 2003 330i ZHP did sub 6 second 0-60 runs. My current one is a low 6 second car and that car feels quite slow to me.
#341 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [carfanatic007]
Sep 02, 2006 (4:52 am)
I read the Mazdaspeed 3 will do 0-60 in "about 6 seconds".
The current issue of Car and Driver had the Mazdaspeed3 do 0-60 in 5.3 seconds.....thats a wee bit faster then both GTI and Si.
#343 of 1379 Topic
Sep 02, 2006 (12:32 pm)
Some personally directed comments have been removed. Let's just stick to talking about the cars rather than each other ... thanks.
#344 of 1379 Air Conditioning in the Maz-3
Sep 02, 2006 (12:43 pm)
I've read on other sites that some Mazda 3 owners in the hot Southwest have had issues about the cooling efficiency in the 3.....Is anybody in any hot area experiencing cooling problems with the Mazda 3 Air Conditioner?
Will the Turbo in the Mazdaspeed3 make the car that much harder to cool?
#345 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [aviboy97]
Sep 02, 2006 (1:35 pm)
Highly doubt that, 6 seconds sounds more reasonable. Plus the fact that it is a hatchback with handling that can never match a coupe like the SI.
#346 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [carfanatic007]
Sep 04, 2006 (4:09 am)
Plus the fact that it is a hatchback with handling that can never match a coupe like the SI.
That's a good one! Are you here all week by chance?
#347 of 1379 Re: For the GTI fans out there.... [carfanatic007]
Sep 04, 2006 (7:04 am)
And the Si coupe will never match the handling of a Lotus Elise. Apples to oranges.
I think a much fairer comparison would be the Si sedan against the MS3.
For the added utility of four doors and a hatch, plus the turbo'd engine, it's going to be hard to beat the MS3 (at least in my book).