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#31 of 1379 Re: nkeen and 600k [blueguydotcom] by allhorizon May 05, 2005 (12:32 am)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (May 02, 2005 12:21 am) "but my experience with the last gen VW gti doesn't have me confident the car will be tuned like the euro one."   I don't think lack of Euro tuning was a problem with the previous GTI(s). Except for the RS32, lately they just were heavy with mediocre performance and outdated suspension.   "Maybe VW is finally willing to give us decent handling again."   All (international) reviews I have read indicate that the completely redesigned suspension (and finally, independent rear), increased rigidity, and the torquey TFSI make a convincing package.   Now all I have to decide between is a 4-door GTI (if available in the US), a Golf with the TFSI and sport suspension, or the A3 (if available with quattro and TFSI). I would also seriously consider a 140-170hp TDI. Replies to this message: mazda6s (May 06, 2005 2:00 pm) allhorizon (May 06, 2005 10:58 pm)
#32 of 1379 Re: nkeen and 600k [allhorizon] by mazda6s May 06, 2005 (2:00 pm)
Replying to: allhorizon (May 05, 2005 12:32 am) "Now all I have to decide between is a 4-door GTI (if available in the US), a Golf with the TFSI and sport suspension, or the A3 (if available with quattro and TFSI). I would also seriously consider a 140-170hp TDI."   Yeah, there will be a 4-door GTI, but it will be the GLI. Replies to this message: allhorizon (May 06, 2005 10:58 pm)
#33 of 1379 Re: nkeen and 600k [mazda6s] by allhorizon May 06, 2005 (10:58 pm)
Replying to: mazda6s (May 06, 2005 2:00 pm) "Yeah, there will be a 4-door GTI, but it will be the GLI."   Thank you, but no thank you. I like hatches and wagons. Rumors from a source close to VWoA have it that there will be a 4-door GTI this time in the US (like in Europe) - probably a higher chance than the regular Golf getting the 2.0 TFSI engine as an option.   A beefy (140-170hp) TDI would be nice, too, especially with AWD.   I would have to see both of them in person; the GTI looks sharp, but I don't want the boy-racer look. Also, I am concerned with ground clearance where I live, although my daily route with 1/2 the drive through the twisties would make a sport suspension fun.   This is why the Forester XT (perhaps lowered and with stronger rear sway bar) is also still in the running for me.
#34 of 1379 ground clearance? by creakid1 May 07, 2005 (12:19 am)
How about this... Who cares about GTI's higher cornering g-force. The Golf/Jetta lost the steering feel since after the MkIII. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/u/r0a9f0811324f75a7t/previews/56439/vw_golf_gt_fsi_4motion.ht- ml   Oops, not sure if it'll make it here. Replies to this message: allhorizon (May 08, 2005 10:17 pm)
#35 of 1379 Re: ground clearance? [creakid1] by allhorizon May 08, 2005 (10:17 pm)
Replying to: creakid1 (May 07, 2005 12:19 am) The article you mention tests the non-turbo 2.0 FSI that is currently not available in the US and may never make it here. It also emphasizes the difference between the AWD and non-AWD Golf versions - non of them GTIs.   FWIW, I have read more than 10 reviews of the new electro-mechanical steering in the A3/ Golf/GTI/Jetta, and have yet to come by one that is not decidedly enthusiastic about it.   See your nearest Audi/VW dealer for a test drive.
#36 of 1379 Re: Sweet [blueguydotcom] by mz3b May 10, 2005 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (Apr 21, 2005 3:48 pm) You know? Mazda3 has the potential to be the best compact car on the planet. Sure you're going to get nit-wits griping that the brakes arent big enough, or its not snappy enough, or the rearview mirrors are too ugly, or the windshield washers are misplaced. The fact is, for the money, its the best buy, period. I shopped for compacts and this car just took the cake. I compared prices, performance, looks, and economy. Hard to judge reliability on a car that has only been out a month before I bought it. I took a chance. To me, everything else was just average for the same money. The MZ3 struck me as being well above average.   Now on to the MAZDASPEED3. Mazda has the potential to provide a car that can whipe the street with the competition. I mean the total package. Looks, performance, reliability, economy, safety, you name it. I hope they don't drop the ball here though. The ultimate test for Mazda is to stuff a shit ton of horsepower in this car and also design a drive train and suspension to harness it. Thats the key. Straight line, cornering, the whole nine yards. They are going to have to do their homework in order to make it affordable too. I am confident they can get it done. And when they do you can kiss your WRX's (which are the ugliest cars with a Porsche engine on the planet), Golfs, 'yota's, and whatever else good bye.   I know some of you are saying "there is no market for a pocket rocket" and "Mazda needs to build a solid reputation again before going out on a limb with the Speed3 by focusing on where the markets lie" blah blah blah......Well here is Mazda's chance to break the mold and set trends.   This car is already setting trends, though. Note the headlight bezels on the new toyota camrys. The front end of the new Acura's (I dont know the models off hand but you can picture them). You get my drift. Wait and see......this is THE next compact.
#37 of 1379 Re: Reliability? VW? In the same sentence?! [600kgolfgt] by mz3b May 10, 2005 (4:51 pm)
Replying to: 600kgolfgt (Apr 15, 2005 1:22 pm) 1987 VW Golf GT - 624,000 miles 1975 VW Scirocco - 250,000 miles   After how many engine swaps?? My bud owns a jetta. He just puked an engine....and he drives it really gentle like......I dont know for sure but I'm guessing he had under 100K on it. It was cracked up in the nose, he did the cosmetics on it......got it really cheap. Now he knows why.   Also VW's are just average. Mazda's are above average. zoom-zoom Replies to this message: 600kgolfgt (May 11, 2005 2:16 am)
#38 of 1379 Re: Some are saying FWD [blueguydotcom] by mz3b May 10, 2005 (4:58 pm)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (Apr 21, 2005 10:40 am) I agree with the AWD. I would spring the extra cash for it. I wouldnt care about the extra weight either. The extra horsepower will compensate. Also it depends how drastic Mazda wants to get but things can be done to cut weight. Aftermarket goodies like body panels, etc.   Bring on the MZ-Speed3!   zoom-zoom
#39 of 1379 Re: Here's the article... [600kgolfgt] by mz3b May 10, 2005 (5:12 pm)
Replying to: 600kgolfgt (May 01, 2005 1:25 pm) Bottom line: There is more to a "hot hatch" than 0-60 times, horsepower ratings and skidpad ratings - the key to the GTI is its overall balance...   You dont think Mazda knows this?? We shall see what tomorrow brings. I have a feeling though that the GTI is going to take a back seat to the trend setting MZ3 about to knock the Golf off balance and off the charts...   Just a side note. I work with a guy who has a VR32 or whatever that GTI Golf clown car is. It pushes 250 Hp with the intake and chip (6 speed manual, 18" dubs, all that jazz and some rear suspension mods). He said in a straight line its pissa' but the RX8 eats it up in the corners (his wife has an RX8). I know, different classes of cars but a testament to Mazda's overall handling characteristics. Also a really short wheelbased Golf with suspension mods should be somewhat comparable to a larger wheelbased RX8, dont 'cha find?? Replies to this message: creakid1 (May 10, 2005 11:30 pm) 600kgolfgt (May 11, 2005 2:23 am) creakid1 (May 11, 2005 9:17 am) and 1 more... mz3b (May 11, 2005 8:24 am) creakid1 (May 11, 2005 9:29 am)
#40 of 1379 mz3 by blueguydotcom May 10, 2005 (6:47 pm)
The R32 is the last gen GTI.   The next get one comes with an IRS and it's far lighter than thr MkIV.   I'm actually quite interested in the GTI 2.0 DSG as it's a sub 3000 lbs car and it's got one of the best engines around (I actually prefer that 2.0 to my 330i's inline 6). And that DSG is sensational. I've only driven an A3 DSG but even that car had me excited and delighted.   Imagining that same engine on a much lighter, lower, more nimble GTI...yummy. And the tuners out there always can tweak Veedub turbos for more power. Great handling, awesome engine, super gas mileage, uncannily smooth DSG and of course an exceptional VW cockpit all grab my attention.   We'll see what the info is coming out for the Mazdaspeed3. I'm not totally sold on the interior v. VW. And the engine and its economy worry me too as my Protege ES Mt5) can slurp gas when I'm really flogging the little beast. On the flip side, mazdas are bulletproof (in my 15 years of experience with them) and VWs are prone to major breakdowns (experience and the record).   I won't declare one has me over the other but I must say on paper the DSG equipped GTI has me more interested now. Reliability be damned. Replies to this message: curiousg (May 12, 2005 12:40 pm)

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