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Hatchbacks Mazda3 Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si
1379 messages, Last post on Oct 01, 2009 at 10:54 AM
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Replying to: cz75 (Sep 25, 2009 9:45 pm) 215hp? where did you hear about this from? 215 from the current k20? great, that means it will have only a couple more lb-ft of torque. and that means it will have to have AMAZING handling to make up for it, or weigh nothing. NOW...if thats 215hp from a tsx sourced k24 four cylinder, there is at least 165lb-ft of twist in that motor, and if they keep weight about the same/less, it may give the si the edge it needs to keep up.
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Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 28, 2009 9:24 am) The Si sedan back seat folds down, but it won't load to the ceiling like a hatchback will. I don't like using my car like a truck, but I did own Integras for over ten years and it helped moving things from college and grad school. Diesels are 30% more fuel efficient, so is 64 cents more/gal. a 30% difference over gas? Here it is within a quarter between regular and diesel and has been within a nickel a couple months ago; last year it cost more than premium. |
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 28, 2009 10:27 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Sep 28, 2009 6:24 pm) wow so the current civic is going for a 6 year run huh? interesting. i just hope it has some torque. dont like the euro civic eh? lol, i personally like when honda is a bit daring. they honestly need to go back to their roots the way VW did, i guess they dont because the ep3 left such a bad taste in everyones mouth. thanks for the info though cz75, i'll check out TOV.
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 29, 2009 5:50 am) The new Euro Civic looks energetic & handsome. W/o looking at its badge, you'd think its the modern version of the old Scirocco/Corrado, while the re-borned Scirocco today looks wimpy/dumpy & not too different from the old '92 Civic. LOL See post #1349 http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef6c2da/1348#MSG1348 But no matter how handsome it is, this Euro Civic w/ simple strut-front/beam-rear suspension (just like the Fit) makes me proud b/c my '2000 Civc hatch w/ double-wishbone suspension FRONT & BACK & 103" wheelbase (w/ customized pwr windows/locks/mirrors, DVD/navigation, Monaco driver seat, front sway bar, softer springs from LX sedan, etc.) now feels like the most high-tech tiny car in world! Even today's Mazda3, which does not have multilink front suspension, is heavy & bulky like a barge by comparison 
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Replying to: creakid1 (Sep 29, 2009 7:27 pm) I don't know if you were trying to be sarcastic or not. But, IIRC, that gen of Civic Si was not a hatch. Not here in the US anyway... Even today's Mazda3, which does not have multilink front suspension, is heavy & bulky like a barge by comparison Todays Mazda3 is bigger then many cars from 10 years ago. C'mon..gimme a break. The Mazda3 does have multilink rear though and has best in class handling. That is what matters. Not what hit the streets 10 years ago.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 30, 2009 9:50 am) My point is that cars w/ small-exterior don't come w/ high-tech multi-link/DW suspension ALL AROUND anymore. Nevertheless, I still hate the slow-&numb steering of my "high-tech" 2000 Civic. That's why, despite living w/ dangerously-high level of oversteer, I still can't get rid of my '90 Protege twincam, which steers so deliciously that none of you modern-car owners can imagine. I am so addicted to steering feel that I even rescued an old MkI '84 Jetta w/ manual steering from going to the junkyard. The pre-2006 Miata also steers great, but I want elastic long-travel comfy suspension as well. I remember test driving a comfy-riding MkV Rabbit, but its electric pwr steering was disastrous when comes to steering feel. W/o great steering feel, I don't see what's so fun about driving, no matter how high the road holding is.
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http://newsletter.autoexpress.co.uk/c/160V7LyScEh05lbozLM Mazda http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/242680/mazda_3.html "Direct, communicative steering makes cornering a rewarding experience." I wonder what other Japanese car maker can do this? Ford http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/242677/ford_focus.html VW http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/242674/volkswagen_golf.html |
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Replying to: creakid1 (Sep 30, 2009 11:24 am) +1 I still can't get rid of my '90 Protege twincam, which steers so deliciously that none of you modern-car owners can imagine My '05 Mazda6 has great steering feel as well. No electric assist. The Mazdaspeed3 has a more weighty feeling then the regular Mazda3. I don't like floaty steering systems. |
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Replying to: creakid1 (Sep 30, 2009 11:24 am)
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