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Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si

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Re: well [eldaino2] by puffin1
Sep 25, 2009 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 23, 2009 8:45 am)

yup, Mazda caught Honda with the 3 model.Civic can't compete with a Mazda 3.
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Re: Honda Civic Si feels like the best quality of all three [puffin1] by eldaino2
Sep 25, 2009 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 25, 2009 7:01 am)

I'm getting the GTI only because to me it has the best realiability than the Jetta,Golf and Rabbit.
 
actually, the GTI, while much better than the mkIV gti's, has had the worst reliability of all the cars you just mentioned. the rabbit has enjoyed the best.
 
It's too bad Acura dropped the RSX S model. Don't compare the SI civic to the RSX Type S a much better built and comfortable ride. I had one and it was bullit proof.
 
do you have proof it was 'built' better? the rsx was nice, but the reason they dropped it was becuase it didnt empart a premium feel, and the leather offered was anything but premium. not to mention that when the new si came out, it was so close in price, the only real thing the rsx offered over the si WAS leather seating.(and maybe better steering feel.)
 
 and it didnt have a limted slip differential like the new si does. (though i like the seats in the non leather rsx better.)
 
but you do get more car with the civic si than you do with the rsx-s.
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Re: well [puffin1] by cz75
Sep 25, 2009 (9:42 pm)
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Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 25, 2009 7:03 am)

The Si competes just fine with the Three; what it can't compete against is the MS3.
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Re: well [eldaino2] by cz75
Sep 25, 2009 (9:45 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 23, 2009 8:45 am)

The next Si is supposed to bring 215hp to the table. I hope it doesn't bring Honda's recent atrocious styling too.
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Re: well [cz75] by puffin1
Sep 28, 2009 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Sep 25, 2009 9:45 pm)

The SI isn't a HB the RSX was.I need a HB.You can't go to home depot w/SI can you?If so I'd buy one.
                I was lookining at a Scion XD because you can trick it out and not void the warranty.
    However, no sunroof and I'd have to switch out or modify front seats for them to be heated. My best bet is to buy a gas Golf 3 dr and put an armrest in it.Volkswagon Golf is not that bad on price,but the TDI Golf I can get with s/r heated seats,manual for $24k and I think thats too much. Diesal fuel here is.$64 a gallon more than gas.
              Also, if something goes like a fuel pump in a diesal,I'd be out alot of bucks.VW isn't known for that good quality to gamble on them.The extended warranty you have to haggle down from 2k.
               Also, the dealers I've been to don't seem to want to deal right now. This economy is still down and maybe next spring or summer we will see some incentives.
  Well, have a good day.
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Re: well [puffin1] by eldaino2
Sep 28, 2009 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 28, 2009 9:24 am)

i 'kinda' understand your hatchback argument....if the hatchback on the rsx was reasonably big, but its not that big. you could get an si sedan and fit just as much in the much larger trunk.
 
but if you only want a two door, well then yea i see your point.
 
the golf tdi is on a much different mission...and it offers torque that neither honda could supply unless you were turbo/supercharging it.
 
diesel would be more expensive yes...but you would be looking at regular 500 mile tanks.
 
and the interior? pfftt! the golf knows no competiton. (if stuff like that is important to you,which i'm assuming it is since you listed the acuras interior as being 'nicer' than the si.)
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Re: well [cz75] by eldaino2
Sep 28, 2009 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Sep 25, 2009 9:45 pm)

if they make it look like the euro civic hatch i'll be happy.
 
215hp? where did you hear about this from? 215 from the current k20?
 
great, that means it will have only a couple more lb-ft of torque.
 
and that means it will have to have AMAZING handling to make up for it, or weigh nothing.
 
NOW...if thats 215hp from a tsx sourced k24 four cylinder, there is at least 165lb-ft of twist in that motor, and if they keep weight about the same/less, it may give the si the edge it needs to keep up.
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Re: well [puffin1] by cz75
Sep 28, 2009 (6:18 pm)
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Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 28, 2009 9:24 am)

Why do you need heated cloth seats? Leather I could understand.
 
The Si sedan back seat folds down, but it won't load to the ceiling like a hatchback will. I don't like using my car like a truck, but I did own Integras for over ten years and it helped moving things from college and grad school.
 
Diesels are 30% more fuel efficient, so is 64 cents more/gal. a 30% difference over gas? Here it is within a quarter between regular and diesel and has been within a nickel a couple months ago; last year it cost more than premium.
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Re: well [eldaino2] by cz75
Sep 28, 2009 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 28, 2009 10:27 am)

TOV has it posted and it won't be a euro hatch (thank god), but a sedan (probably a coupe, maybe a hatch of the same platform). I expect it will be a K-series, but don't know the displacement and it might be direct injection or other new technology. This is a rumor from someone at an outside source that makes components for Honda. It will be 2011 (2012 model year) before it rolls out, as Honda wants another year out of the current platform.
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Re: well [cz75] by eldaino2
Sep 29, 2009 (5:50 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Sep 28, 2009 6:24 pm)

ah ok i see.
 
wow so the current civic is going for a 6 year run huh? interesting.
 
i just hope it has some torque.
 
dont like the euro civic eh? lol, i personally like when honda is a bit daring.
 
they honestly need to go back to their roots the way VW did, i guess they dont because the ep3 left such a bad taste in everyones mouth. thanks for the info though cz75, i'll check out TOV.

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