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Hatchbacks Mazda3 Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si
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Replying to: creakid1 (Oct 27, 2007 10:54 am) |
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The latest edition of Consumer Reports lists 2 VW's. The Passat (V6) no longer recommended because of worse reliability. The VW GTI - enough data to say they're unreliable. VW Strikes again. And these are made in Germany. 
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http://newsletter.autoexpress.co.uk/c/110j1CQIgPjuG4l BMW http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/212091/bmw_1series.html "But the suspension isn’t that supple. The BMW gets pitched around on any surface that’s less than perfect, so the steering requires constant correction, which limits your confidence in the car. It doesn’t truly come alive – instead, it feels slightly numb and disinterested." "...not as involving as the TT, with constant movement from the suspension and steering which is lacking in feedback." VW http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/212103/volkswagen_golf_gti.ht- - ml "Plus, the Golf is light to drive, easy to see out of and well laid out inside, all of which helps to make it effortless to live with. So can it really be as exciting to drive? In a word, yes. The suspension is every bit as well set up as the Audi’s, delivering a near-perfect blend of ride comfort and handling ability. The steering wheel isn’t only great to hold, but provides more detailed feedback than the BMW’s. And although the front-drive layout means the Golf doesn’t put its power down as well as its rivals, it’s superbly balanced, responsive and entertaining." "...better body control than BMW" Audi http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/212097/audi_tt.html "The trouble is, there is no turbo to beef up mid-range torque, so its in-gear times weren’t as good as the Golf’s...What lets it down is the transmission, which doesn’t like low speeds. It’s jerky, then surges forward suddenly as the clutch bites. The system isn’t as mechanically involving as a manual box, either. Yet once up and running, the S tronic is magnificent – as a passenger, the only way to detect shifts is to watch the driver’s fingers pull the paddles or listen to the powerplant." Then down shift then, if you want more burst & still retain smoothness. "It’s sharp and inspires confidence. The steering is better than the BMW’s, and helped by the fact it’s lower to the ground. The Audi feels more planted and secure on the road. It turns in hard, grips well and is more informative than the 135i and Golf. We’d specify the £1,150 optional Magnetic Dampers, though. They work brilliantly, not only making the TT even more dynamic to drive, but boosting absorbency in the softer setting. Without them, the ride is not as relaxing as it could be." |
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vs Rogue's twin (Quashqai) vs Peugeot's own 308 The C-1 Focus matched the Civic for best handling but provides better ride! & it's the only one in this group not being criticized for lack of steering feel! C-1 Focus: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218058/ford_focus.html "Out on the road, the Ford feels the most relaxing to drive, thanks to the engine’s fuss-free nature – it just seems to get on with the job of transporting you from A to B as easily as possible. Yet there’s much more to the car than this. The model has always been renowned for its driving dynamics, and the new version is no exception. This all-round ability is what makes the Focus such a great family choice. The blend of ride and handling is a prime example. It’s not quite as firm as the Honda and deals better with potholes, but it’s just as focused and balanced through corners. Perfectly weighted steering and a crisp gearshift add to the package." Civic hatch: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218067/honda_civic.html "In terms of handling, there’s little to choose between the Honda and Ford. Both are incredibly composed and enjoyable, whether eating up motorway miles or tackling country lanes." "Verdict:... -: some drivers find the speedometer is obscured by the wheel; steering is a little short on feedback." Quashqai: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218064/nissan_qashqai.html "There are few criticisms of the car’s handling. The steering lacks feel, yet it’s fluid and direct, allowing for precise turn-in. Body control is taut – impressively so, given the Nissan’s tall ride height. As a result, the Qashqai is agile and reassuring." 308: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218061/peugeot_308.html "As with its opponents, the 308 provides a decent balance of ride and handling. But it doesn’t quite grip as well as the Focus or Civic, and although the steering is meaty, it lacks feedback. The Peugeot is composed through corners, yet the dampers can be a little jittery over rough surfaces, and it’s not as engaging to drive as its rivals. It is smooth and refined – a reading of 69dB at 70mph is much quieter than the Focus’s 72dB – but the 308 doesn’t have much character or charm." At similar price, Civic's more equipment, room & mpg edges the C-1 Focus as the winner in this ECONOMY car test here. I'm sure all the cheapskates will agree.  http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218052/ford_focus_v_rivals.ht- - - ml
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Replying to: creakid1 (Mar 09, 2008 4:10 pm) 
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Replying to: roadburner (Mar 09, 2008 5:05 pm) While today's Scirocco is heading into the direction of Civic by having multilink rear suspension & (try to?) look like the '92-95 Civic hatch, which even has multilink in the front as well! http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=247452 http://www.hondashowoff.com/profile.php?id=5211 click the 4th picture But by today's standard around here, the Focus, Mazda3, Rabbit/GTI, Civic, Impreza, & even top-end Corolla all have multilink rear, just like Mini & BMW. More likely, this Euro hatch Civic belongs to the little B-class cars w/ torsion-beam rear: Ford Verve/Fiesta http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/219219/ford_fiesta.html Mazda2 http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plugins/iimage-gallery.php?idpost=6409&id- g=2&idi=12 |
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w/ more cylinder & 280hp: C-1 platform http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=267372 http://newsletter.autoexpress.co.uk/c/1fWJ5DRlILT5QaEg "Striking details include flared wheelarches, giving the RS a wider track for better high-speed stability." VW http://newsletter.autoexpress.co.uk/c/1fWJizq9PQGWc4EF "But the best news is that the new suspension settings and redesigned back axle, plus the chassis’s lower centre of gravity, all help make the Scirocco even better to drive than the Golf GTI. The wider track gives it greater grip and cornering composure, and although there is some body roll, it’s well contained. Overall, the Scirocco feels more agile and responsive than the GTI, while retaining that car’s sense of enthusiasm. There’s even the option of different driving modes. The Adaptive Chassis Control set-up allows you to select Comfort, Normal or Sport settings, which adjust not only the stiffness of the dampers, but also the steering weight and"
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Replying to: creakid1 (Jun 19, 2008 9:24 pm) |
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Replying to: carfanatic007 (Apr 01, 2007 1:33 pm) Oh Civics Suck, and look like crap.... |
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