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Replying to: eldaino (Aug 12, 2007 2:22 pm) "which ones? all the recent ones i have read are NOT talking about the jdm type r (the sedan you mentioned) but about the torsion-beamed hatch that is exclusive to them. (europe.) i think the type r from japan would fare horrible in europe, its suspension is tuned way to much for track use to be a daily driver for most." This one:  http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/208387/honda_civic_typer.html "We were bitterly disappointed to discover that the new (Euro) Civic Type-R isn’t as polished as the Golf GTI..." http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/209845/honda_civic.html "The saloon bodyshell has been made lighter yet more rigid, with extensive use of aluminium, and adhesive bonding instead of welds. As a result the much bigger ’shell tips the scales just 1.8kg heavier than the Integra’s, yet is 50 per cent more rigid. Once on the move this sense of rigidity is all- pervading. There’s no sneeze-factor in the steering, no slouch in the suspension or slop in the brake pedal, and certainly no squidge in the Bridgestone RE070s’ sidewalls. Consequently your slightest twitch is translated into immediate response. It’s an uncompromising car with a firm, physical ride, yet the damping is well controlled and it copes well with mid-corner bumps. Traction is excellent thanks to the standard helical limited-slip differential, and there’s only the slightest hint of wheelspin on a dry road, even over the sharp-edged crests along our test route in south Wales." "...includes all import costs...That’s around £5000 more than the UK Civic Type-R, but such is the gulf between the watered-down experience offered by the hatchback and the full-strength fury of the saloon there’s little sense in making a direct comparison. Perhaps you’d be better looking upon this import-only Civic as a four-door NSX-R, for it possesses much of the supercar’s spirit." http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/208477/honda_civic.html "...superior in almost every other way" "A limited-slip differential, absent from the European Type R, sends more torque to the outer wheel in a corner..." "Another welcome revision is the use of double-wishbone rear suspension, improving ride quality and handling. This is in addition to a 50 per cent boost in body rigidity. As a result, the four-door Type R is a joy to drive. Its ride is firm but comfortable, and turn-in is exquisite, with heaps of grip and the nose never pushing wide." "the £11,900 price tag undercuts the inferior UK model by a massive £5,715." |
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Anyone see that the 2008 Mugen Si will start at over $29,000!! LMAO! Who's gonna pay for that?!?!?
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 27, 2007 8:32 am) 
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Replying to: creakid1 (Oct 27, 2007 10:54 am) |
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The latest edition of Consumer Reports lists 2 VW's. The Passat (V6) no longer recommended because of worse reliability. The VW GTI - enough data to say they're unreliable. VW Strikes again. And these are made in Germany. 
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http://newsletter.autoexpress.co.uk/c/110j1CQIgPjuG4l BMW http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/212091/bmw_1series.html "But the suspension isn’t that supple. The BMW gets pitched around on any surface that’s less than perfect, so the steering requires constant correction, which limits your confidence in the car. It doesn’t truly come alive – instead, it feels slightly numb and disinterested." "...not as involving as the TT, with constant movement from the suspension and steering which is lacking in feedback." VW http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/212103/volkswagen_golf_gti.ht- - ml "Plus, the Golf is light to drive, easy to see out of and well laid out inside, all of which helps to make it effortless to live with. So can it really be as exciting to drive? In a word, yes. The suspension is every bit as well set up as the Audi’s, delivering a near-perfect blend of ride comfort and handling ability. The steering wheel isn’t only great to hold, but provides more detailed feedback than the BMW’s. And although the front-drive layout means the Golf doesn’t put its power down as well as its rivals, it’s superbly balanced, responsive and entertaining." "...better body control than BMW" Audi http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/212097/audi_tt.html "The trouble is, there is no turbo to beef up mid-range torque, so its in-gear times weren’t as good as the Golf’s...What lets it down is the transmission, which doesn’t like low speeds. It’s jerky, then surges forward suddenly as the clutch bites. The system isn’t as mechanically involving as a manual box, either. Yet once up and running, the S tronic is magnificent – as a passenger, the only way to detect shifts is to watch the driver’s fingers pull the paddles or listen to the powerplant." Then down shift then, if you want more burst & still retain smoothness. "It’s sharp and inspires confidence. The steering is better than the BMW’s, and helped by the fact it’s lower to the ground. The Audi feels more planted and secure on the road. It turns in hard, grips well and is more informative than the 135i and Golf. We’d specify the £1,150 optional Magnetic Dampers, though. They work brilliantly, not only making the TT even more dynamic to drive, but boosting absorbency in the softer setting. Without them, the ride is not as relaxing as it could be." |
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vs Rogue's twin (Quashqai) vs Peugeot's own 308 The C-1 Focus matched the Civic for best handling but provides better ride! & it's the only one in this group not being criticized for lack of steering feel! C-1 Focus: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218058/ford_focus.html "Out on the road, the Ford feels the most relaxing to drive, thanks to the engine’s fuss-free nature – it just seems to get on with the job of transporting you from A to B as easily as possible. Yet there’s much more to the car than this. The model has always been renowned for its driving dynamics, and the new version is no exception. This all-round ability is what makes the Focus such a great family choice. The blend of ride and handling is a prime example. It’s not quite as firm as the Honda and deals better with potholes, but it’s just as focused and balanced through corners. Perfectly weighted steering and a crisp gearshift add to the package." Civic hatch: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218067/honda_civic.html "In terms of handling, there’s little to choose between the Honda and Ford. Both are incredibly composed and enjoyable, whether eating up motorway miles or tackling country lanes." "Verdict:... -: some drivers find the speedometer is obscured by the wheel; steering is a little short on feedback." Quashqai: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218064/nissan_qashqai.html "There are few criticisms of the car’s handling. The steering lacks feel, yet it’s fluid and direct, allowing for precise turn-in. Body control is taut – impressively so, given the Nissan’s tall ride height. As a result, the Qashqai is agile and reassuring." 308: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218061/peugeot_308.html "As with its opponents, the 308 provides a decent balance of ride and handling. But it doesn’t quite grip as well as the Focus or Civic, and although the steering is meaty, it lacks feedback. The Peugeot is composed through corners, yet the dampers can be a little jittery over rough surfaces, and it’s not as engaging to drive as its rivals. It is smooth and refined – a reading of 69dB at 70mph is much quieter than the Focus’s 72dB – but the 308 doesn’t have much character or charm." At similar price, Civic's more equipment, room & mpg edges the C-1 Focus as the winner in this ECONOMY car test here. I'm sure all the cheapskates will agree. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/218052/ford_focus_v_rivals.ht- - - ml
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Replying to: creakid1 (Mar 09, 2008 4:10 pm) 
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Replying to: roadburner (Mar 09, 2008 5:05 pm) While today's Scirocco is heading into the direction of Civic by having multilink rear suspension & (try to?) look like the '92-95 Civic hatch, which even has multilink in the front as well! http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=247452 http://www.hondashowoff.com/profile.php?id=5211 click the 4th picture But by today's standard around here, the Focus, Mazda3, Rabbit/GTI, Civic, Impreza, & even top-end Corolla all have multilink rear, just like Mini & BMW. More likely, this Euro hatch Civic belongs to the little B-class cars w/ torsion-beam rear: Ford Verve/Fiesta http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/219219/ford_fiesta.html Mazda2 http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plugins/iimage-gallery.php?idpost=6409&id- g=2&idi=12 |
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