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1379 messages, Last post on Oct 01, 2009 at 10:54 AM
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Replying to: eldaino (Oct 09, 2007 7:59 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Oct 09, 2007 9:09 am) Oh, definitely not. I wish we could go back from electronic controls for the ventilation, etc.. to the levers which often get very stiff to adjust (as in my grandparents' 1997 Civic LX) where you could see the metal pieces attached to the mechanical parts back in the control unit of the A/C controls, don't you? Or maybe we can use the much smaller, more thinly padded although-not-comfortably-firm seats from those cars too!   I personally haven't found a fit/finish/tactile quality problem in the new Civic. Just a differing opinion. 
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 09, 2007 11:17 am) But my '00 Civc hatch has one soft touch (i.e., doesn't click), for A/C or recirculate, that had to be visually checked for on & off, & can't even be read under direct sun light, especially the indicator lights got dimmer as the car aged! Ditto my Focus ST, & even worse, the number of buttons found on (the premium Focus-II) Volvo S40/V50's fancy-looking "TV remote-like" super-thin center stack.
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Replying to: creakid1 (Oct 09, 2007 7:19 pm) I was actually talking about the Civic of the 80s and early 90s (which is what the previous person had referenced) which had levers. You gotta check those visually too. BTW, I have a 1996 Accord which has similar controls to the 90-93 models. The mechanical knob in that car binds easily and breaks the knob (I'm on number 4). I prefer the electronic knobs better.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 09, 2007 7:35 pm) I click the "AC" button million times a day (off for accelerating & uphills, on for engine-braking & down hills). & that big button may be worned out on the outside marking, it's still working perfectly today at about 200k mi. My recirculate lever, which has also been flipped back & forth many times a day, never turned stiff. I wonder if your '96 Accord is not made in Japan. My '98 made-in-California Corolla LE had a low-quality-plastic vent outlet that cracked, so I had to hurried back into this country before the warranty expired. Guess what? I didn't make it in time b/c my plane crashed due to a hurricane/typhoon 
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Replying to: creakid1 (Oct 09, 2007 10:32 pm) Japanese cars from the 80's and 90's had pretty low rent plastic controls, regardless if they were made in Japan or not. That was a big knock on them. My HVAC controls broke on my '91 Toyota Celica, '91 Honda Accord, and '98 Mitsu Eclipse. The Corolla's from that time period too were not much on the inside, or out. Actually, neither was anything in that class that came from Japan. |
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Oct 09, 2007 9:09 am) but in all honesty blueguy, i do think you are being a bit harsh. does it have something to do with being a bmw/mini owner? maybe. even i got nitpicky with our fit after moving down from the rabbit. its funny to note that even the 3 series has those same scratch prone doors like the new civic. But all in all, the civic has a very nice interior, and i'm with grad on the electronic knobs point. Much nicer by far! |
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Replying to: eldaino (Aug 12, 2007 2:22 pm) "which ones? all the recent ones i have read are NOT talking about the jdm type r (the sedan you mentioned) but about the torsion-beamed hatch that is exclusive to them. (europe.) i think the type r from japan would fare horrible in europe, its suspension is tuned way to much for track use to be a daily driver for most." This one:  http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/208387/honda_civic_typer.html "We were bitterly disappointed to discover that the new (Euro) Civic Type-R isn’t as polished as the Golf GTI..." http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/209845/honda_civic.html "The saloon bodyshell has been made lighter yet more rigid, with extensive use of aluminium, and adhesive bonding instead of welds. As a result the much bigger ’shell tips the scales just 1.8kg heavier than the Integra’s, yet is 50 per cent more rigid. Once on the move this sense of rigidity is all- pervading. There’s no sneeze-factor in the steering, no slouch in the suspension or slop in the brake pedal, and certainly no squidge in the Bridgestone RE070s’ sidewalls. Consequently your slightest twitch is translated into immediate response. It’s an uncompromising car with a firm, physical ride, yet the damping is well controlled and it copes well with mid-corner bumps. Traction is excellent thanks to the standard helical limited-slip differential, and there’s only the slightest hint of wheelspin on a dry road, even over the sharp-edged crests along our test route in south Wales." "...includes all import costs...That’s around £5000 more than the UK Civic Type-R, but such is the gulf between the watered-down experience offered by the hatchback and the full-strength fury of the saloon there’s little sense in making a direct comparison. Perhaps you’d be better looking upon this import-only Civic as a four-door NSX-R, for it possesses much of the supercar’s spirit." http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/208477/honda_civic.html "...superior in almost every other way" "A limited-slip differential, absent from the European Type R, sends more torque to the outer wheel in a corner..." "Another welcome revision is the use of double-wishbone rear suspension, improving ride quality and handling. This is in addition to a 50 per cent boost in body rigidity. As a result, the four-door Type R is a joy to drive. Its ride is firm but comfortable, and turn-in is exquisite, with heaps of grip and the nose never pushing wide." "the £11,900 price tag undercuts the inferior UK model by a massive £5,715." |
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Anyone see that the 2008 Mugen Si will start at over $29,000!! LMAO! Who's gonna pay for that?!?!?
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