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Hatchbacks Mazda3 Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si
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Replying to: charlietorques (Aug 09, 2007 3:52 am) Now it's Civic's turn: http://honda.bfi0.com/W7RH02BFC330732251441313DE05E0 & priced to match. 
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Replying to: charlietorques (Aug 09, 2007 3:52 am) the extra hp torque would be nice though!
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Replying to: creakid1 (Aug 08, 2007 11:25 am) the bunny is pretty darn luxurious though. creakid...i'm suprised you say that the focus st rides less 'nervously' over roads than the 3...i test drove one the other day and it was good fun, and sportier than my rabbit. is the st the c-1 chassis? i was always under the impression that the c-1 chassis can only be found under the euro focus...
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Replying to: creakid1 (Aug 09, 2007 6:07 am) a free-er flowing exhaust and slighlty stiffer suspension...this is just a limited edition for some jdm fanboys. the civic that would fit your description was reviewed recently on insideline: the jdm civic type r sedan :222 hp, 8500 redline, 18 lightweight wheels, and incredibly well handling suspension that actually allows this civic to lap FASTER than a stock s2k, and brembro brakes. that is a hardcore civic.
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Replying to: creakid1 (Aug 09, 2007 6:07 am) |
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Replying to: eldaino (Aug 09, 2007 6:47 am) You nailed it. All show, with very little-if at all-extra go. |
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Replying to: creakid1 (Aug 09, 2007 6:07 am) |
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Replying to: eldaino (Aug 09, 2007 6:47 am) I was in St. Lucia and picked up a British car mag, forgot the name, but, on the cover, it had a comparo between the WRX, Mazda3 MPS (Speed3 over here), and Civic Type-R. It was a pretty good article. The Subi came in last, the Mazda 2nd, and the Type-R 1st. Mazda got kudos for being the fastest, and handling while the Type-R won because of handling and driving ergernomics.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 09, 2007 12:13 pm) the type r i was talking about avi is the jdm version. its the one with the huge brakes and 222hp engine. some sources say 212, but the engine in the EUROPEAN hatch type r is supposed to be only 198 hp. Its essentially our si's engine, but tuned for torque and midrange. (it has more of it too rated at 142 lbs.) it actually only has a torsion beam rear suspension; but the interior and exterior simply own our si and the jdm type r(which is just a jdm civic sedan.) even though its technically the lesser of the two, i'd love the euro type r hatch, the sytling is amazing and its still quite a bit quicker than our si, if not quicker than the jdm r. again, the styling alone is the selling point. on top of that, while it does lack an lsd, it comes with a stiffer suspension, noticably bigger brakes, awesome wheels and a better k20. |
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It is absurd that the Euro Civic w/ such low-tech suspension can beat the Control-Blade GTI & C-1 Focus ST, per most Brit magazines. That's b/c lowered sport versions don't use much suspension travel, & therefore the crude suspension geometry doesn't show much. The 5-cyl turbo in the C-1 Focus ST also hurts, no wonder it got ranked behind the GTI: creakid1, "2008 Ford Focus future vehicle" #43, 19 Jan 2007 2:11 am But once comparing the "normal" versions, the order almost always goes reverse. The C-1 Focus w/ 4-cyl beats both the Golf (Rabbit) & the Euro Civic, mainly b/c the Euro Civic's ride sucks & neither can match Focus' steering feel.
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