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Hatchbacks Mazda3 Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 19, 2007 6:56 am) Not that it lasted long, but still... even a few seconds of fishtailing tends to illuminate the car in a bad light, specially at extreme low speeds. As for the Fit. Sure it doesn't have the power, but it has... to me... a better sense of handling and tossability. After test driving one, had I treated my rental Mazda6 in the same manner, I'd have ended up in a ditch somewhere. Heck, a quick left-right-left multiple lane change would have most likely had that Mazda6 spinning a doughnut in the middle of a major highway... yet the Fit I tested could do that without me worrying about the aftereffects. And the list of cars that I think are better than the 6... I'm not comparing them to each other, just to the Mazda6. And in each case, the 6 has worse handling and acceleration. Even a Civic Si is better at that. Of course, the Mazda6 is still much better than a Camry or Sonata in its ability to handle... But that's more d  mning of the Camry/Sonata than it is praise for the 6.
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Replying to: gogogodzilla (Jun 20, 2007 5:15 am) And it doesn't help that the Camry isn't exactly designed as a carving machine. Toyota generally makes cars that are nicer to ride in as opposed to ones that are nicer to take hairpins in. The Camry Solara is frequently cited as a very pleasant and capable cruising car... but not very good in the sports arena. |
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Replying to: gogogodzilla (Jun 20, 2007 5:15 am) I could induce oversteer on my BMWs, naturally, but on my Protege ES I needed to really adjust the car's weight through a corner to bring the back end around. Likewise, my Mrk IV Jetta 1.8T needed a 28 mm sway and some serious massaging of steering inputs and throttle application to induce oversteer. My new Cooper S can get the backend around but the car's got a tiny wheelbase and extremely tight suspension matched to cruddy/bouncy run flat tires. The Mazda6 rides on a much longer wheelbase than a Protege, Cooper or Jetta. Getting oversteer even with high speeds and weight transitioning would be extremely difficult. We're talking about entering a corner at 90, slamming on the brakes to create nosedive and transfer all weight forward, and then cranking the wheel into the corner. Even then with the 6's low center of gravity and long body, I can't believe the car would rotate much, if at all. |
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didn't realize we now have to include the mazda 6 or fit. but seeing as how we are...i don't think the mazda 6 is so awful; but as 'anemic' as the fit may be ( i cant really remember what car in that segement is blindingly fast anyway.), its a great handler and its steering response is much more direct than the six. |
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Replying to: 600kgolfgt (Jun 19, 2007 1:53 pm) but i can't claim the same 25 yr dubber title! 
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Replying to: fasterthanyou (Jun 18, 2007 5:14 pm) you still have not addressed the fact that aside from vw, most cars in this price range are beaten by honda, at least from an interior materials standpoint. My previous post still stands. With regards to the si...i have driven it. I know what i'm talking about. AND even if we WERE basing our opinions on reviews, my opinion of the more body roll in the gti as opposed to the civic STILL....TOTALLY...STANDS.. fan boy. 
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 18, 2007 8:20 am) |
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Replying to: fasterthanyou (Jun 18, 2007 5:26 pm) (in the best dr.evil voice ever imitated): you just...don't get it do you? IF you had any bit of sense, you would know that i don't agree with what a lot of what is in consumer reports, and have questioned the validity of some of the things in that magazine. How could you say i think its wrong to speak out against it? Did you not understand what i posted? I told you that citing consumer reports to BACK UP your 'reliable' vw's theory is suicide, since they are the one magazine that loves to slam on them!!!  I was just saying your defense made no sense and STILL does not. Do you live in europe? if so... you can't really comment on the reliabilty of ANY car here in america. and, you can't compare how one car is rated there and rated here. I KNOW that vw gets good ratings in europe, over here they are doing much better, but in the very recent past, they stunk. For the record, my mother and law has a v-6 2004 mazda six, and that thing has just been totally unreliable in every way imaginable. The next car she gets will have the big H on its nose.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 18, 2007 5:17 pm) got x rays done on monday, turns out i have a torn rotator cuff. Hurt alot and is still very sore. But i'm good!  i was playin b-ball a little to passionately.
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Replying to: eldaino (Jun 20, 2007 6:32 am)
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