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Hatchbacks Mazda3 Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si
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Replying to: eldaino (Jun 12, 2007 6:52 am) The Mini Cooper turns even if you didn't meant to. See C&D's comparo w/ these 3 cars in this topic. No, seriously, I've also had a little of that problem w/ my '90 Protege LX (sport package) "rug-rat-style" steering rack. I finally calmed it down by using Bridgestone Turanza tires in the front. |
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Replying to: eldaino (Jun 12, 2007 6:52 am) Now back to the comparison.. Performance wise, on a track Mazdaspeed3 will be the fastest but in the real world the absence of torque at low RPM makes the car feel sluggish until the turbo kicks, while the GTI rips with 207 pounds of torque from 1800 RPM. In performance department Honda looses again ..it is by far the slowest and the one that screams cheap through every pore. Pure garbage. Body roll is unbearable in the Honda SI and the seats are extremely uncomfortable ...again that's something to look into when you compare these three cars. The GTI is the total package, refined, nimble and fast at all times. If you are not a boy racer(in which case the Mazda will probably appeal more) there is nothing out there for the price that can match a GTI.
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Replying to: fasterthanyou (Jun 15, 2007 6:03 pm) And many people will tell you they get to hear the proper/solid thunk of their door when they get out at the dealer, to get their car fixed. The last two VWs I rode in each had electrical problems (a 2000 New Beetle Turbo and a 2004 Jetta GLS). The New Beetle, with 40k miles on it, cost our family friend $2,200 to get her A/C and electrical gremlins fixed. 40,000 miles, and 5 years? Over 2 grand? 2 grand hasn't been spent on my 12 year old Honda with 174,000 miles. VW bulids a solid car, with great interiors (I really feel VW to hold the interior benchmark, I really do). But all this "honda will make you puke its so horrible" stuff won't help anyone get anywhere. It just makes you sound like a VW-fan-boy, something you said you are trying to avoid.
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Yeah, VW offers good ride comfort, at least w/o sport package. Even the front center armrest in the Rabbit has full adjustment & a rear A/C vent. I don't recall the front center armrest of the Mercedes C230 sport sedan got this adjustment. The once-a-while electrical repair is the "luxury price" you have to pay, I guess. Cheap Honda's are for cheapskates who can't afford depreciation & repair cost. I sometimes want to be a cheapskate, but not when the new Civic's radio is not w/in my arm reach!  I own a reliable made-in-Japan Mazda & can afford the depreciation b/c fun cars don't need to be re-sold.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 15, 2007 7:03 pm) How about the engine repairs(engine sludge) for Toyota and all the automatic transmissions that failed right after the warranty ended for last generation Accords that cost owners between 4-9000 dollars out of pocket. I own an old Prelude right now and I think is a great car, so I understand that you trust the brand based on the experience with the old Hondas but those days are over. The American made Hondas are junks, designed and built poorly and sold based on the reputation Honda built with the real Hondas that used to be sold here. The new VWs are way better than any Honda sold in America today. Period.
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The point I'm trying to make here is that nobody should hesitate to buy any brand of car because of reliability concerns. THERE IS NO CAR BRAND THAT BUILTS UNRELIABLE CARS THESE DAYS. While all car brands have lemons and you can end up with one regardless of the make of the car, you should buy based only on two factors: driving experience and resale value.
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Replying to: fasterthanyou (Jun 16, 2007 5:07 pm) You mean the ones that Honda covered? Those paid for out of pocket were reimbursed by Honda if within the 100k miles. The new VWs are way better than any Honda sold in America today. Period. There is no "period" buddy. There is "your opinion" but there is no period. |
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Replying to: fasterthanyou (Jun 16, 2007 5:26 pm) http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/115129/article.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11962665/ http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4022645 I notice a lot of Honda/Toyota brands.... not so much VW's. And also, does this mean you're calling shenanigans on reliability reports from Consumer Reports & JD Power & Assoc.? |
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Replying to: fasterthanyou (Jun 15, 2007 6:03 pm) First things first; thanks to grad for good posts devoid of overly opinionated...well opinions. My first point to prove that you may be suffering from 'i have no idea what i'm talking about' syndrome is this: Body roll is unbearable in the Honda SI why? BECAUSE IT HAS NONE? the gti has been PROVEN to be the lesser handler of the two. Its totally the better daily driver for someone with priorties like me (a type of auto trany, FAIRLY(as in more than your average car) nimble, and lots of torque, hatchback), but the civic is defintely a more focused drivers car. But even VW guys will tell you that they enjoy some body roll; lets you know your cars limits! This point alone diffuses your whole post. But to take care of the rest of it....: Please do not compare me with the Honda fan-boy called carfanatic. My opinions are based on facts not on retarded slogans or fantasy reliability ratings and brainwashing ...read Consumer Reports ohhhh man! you really are opening up pandoras box here. Why don't you want to be compared to carfan? You are just like him, except your loyalty lies to a different vehicle!  Your opinions are based on facts? Then why are they still opinions? They should be devoid of all argument! But no they arent. Thats why they ARE nothing BUT opinions. Why cite consumer reports? do you want to be thrown to the dogs by the other members on this website? IF anything, consumer reports would be the absolute WORST way to get your point across that vw's in america are 'just as good as hondas' because as of right now, CR says they ARE NOT? did that not occur to you at all? with regards to all the euro stuff; of course vw is more highly regarded there, everyone knows that, and even a honda guy will agree with the superior interior thing. But we are in america, and if you are not, then its apple to oranges. IF you are indeed in europe, you have NO civic si to test drive, just the type r which is even MORE focused than our version! your post has so many pot holes its ridiculous! most people in this thread HAVE checked out the interior quality on all vehicles; honda WORLD WIDE has been regarded as a maker of a great interior, even if it does fall short of vw. And the only people bringing that point up and slamming honda on it are, guess who, VW fanboys. (just so you know, i own an mkV and i owned a new civic for a year so i have a lot of experience on both cars, and they are both great, each with its own set of outstanding features and weaknesses.) it funny that you mention honda being acura quality in europe...people just expect their cars to be nicer over there i suppose. But outside of its german rivals, honda/acura interiors are totally on par if not exceeding their japanese rivals, and obliterating any american cars. my arm hurts again. i guess i'll just have to ignore your posts. they are (in my opinion based on facts ) useless.
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Replying to: creakid1 (Jun 16, 2007 1:10 am) Do you really think its ok to pay more for something that amounts to lesser quality even if it looks nice? having said that, my vw has been awesome. You must be a hobbit if you have driven any civic with a radio out of arms reach.
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