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comments by idele
Dec 16, 2005 (11:41 am)
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As I have mentioned above I am #1 at my Lexus dealer for the purchase of a GS450h. Horsepower measurements are not of much interest or use to me. With my current RX400h the midrange acceleration is so immediate and smooth that, as I've already stated in a post, I will only buy cars with hybrid synergy drives like those on Lexuses in the future. The description of the GS450h powerplant from the press release for the Tokyo Motor Show that I previously posted, indicates that it will be more advanced.
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I'd have to agree with Lexi by callmedrfill
Dec 16, 2005 (8:07 pm)
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Since it looks like a mid-gen 2008 facelift should yield a 27-280HP 350, and a 350-375HP 460, a Hybrid would fit quite nicely in between at 320-330HP.
 
   But if it were to cost more than the V8, then a lofty power number would be more appropriate, as Lexus seems to be putting out there that Lexus Hybrids will be more about performance ability than economy.
 
   Lexus can do no wrong here.
 
   DrFill
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Lexus is not an economy car by idele
Dec 17, 2005 (9:17 am)
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The fuel efficiency on my Lexus RX400h is about 40% better the the Audi Allroad 2.7T that I traded. To me the midrange acceleration, the low center of gravity yielding faster flatter cornering, the quiet making listening to music much more pleasurable are some of the reasons I admire the Toyota/Lexus hybrids. I've been told by an LS owner that it has a manual cruising switch for use over 40mph. It seems that this will be automated in the GS450h powerplant. BMW which I regard as tops in ICE powerplants is struggling to cope with the inexorable Toyota/Lexus powerplant advances. Two examples: BMW exhibited at the last Frankfurt auto show exhibited a car with capacitors in the front wheel housing for capturing braking energy. The problem I see is that capacitors are nowhere as reliable as batteries, and so unlikely to see production soon if at all. A more recent item from BMW was about recapturing heat from the engine and exhaust. They claimed 15% improvement in mpg. From the description it's an expensive add-on. The press release states that it's ten years from production. So yet more of what is termed "vaporware".
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photos of GS450h by idele
Dec 17, 2005 (12:05 pm)
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on the Japanese website
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.webcg.net/WEBCG/c- arscope/2005/lexus_gs450h/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgs450h%26hl%3Den%26hs%3DcA2%26lr%3- D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official
You get to see instrument panel, wheels, and enclosure for the HSD control system.
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Re: I'd have to agree with Lexi [callmedrfill] by pzykofart
Dec 17, 2005 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: callmedrfill (Dec 16, 2005 8:07 pm)

Correction:
 
350: 306 hp(As with the IS)
460: 360 - 370 hp
450h: 390 hp (This is correct.)
 
I'm a little unsure of the 460's output, but as far as the others, they aren't subject to change.
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Re: I'd have to agree with Lexi [pzykofart] by brianlbailey
Dec 18, 2005 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: pzykofart (Dec 17, 2005 2:18 pm)

I hope you are right. What are your sources regarding the HP numbers?
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Re: Lexus is not an economy car [idele] by falconone
Dec 19, 2005 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: idele (Dec 17, 2005 9:17 am)

I can't blame you for trading your Audi allroad. I owned a 2002 model and it had the worst tires you can imagine. Whenever it rained it felt like I was ice skating on the highway. It always had a lag when initially accelerating (very annoying). It also needed brakes and rotors at 10,000 miles. VW/Audi really needs to improve the reliability of their cars. With Lexus, the ownership experience is so much more pleasurable. Fantastic choice and good luck!!
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Re: Lexus is not an economy car [falconone] by idele
Dec 19, 2005 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: falconone (Dec 19, 2005 10:29 am)

Thanks. I had 5 Lexuses before getting 2 Audis and now returned to Lexus. And before the Lexuses, 2 Toyotas. By the way, when I ordered my Lexus hybrid last June, I checked the TM stock price. I thought it was a bargain. The stock is up 38% since I bought. Another by the way, today's Financial Times has a story on the new EU diesel emission standards and the several hundred extra euros needed to be added to the price to meet them.
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Re: Lexus is not an economy car [idele] by falconone
Dec 19, 2005 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: idele (Dec 19, 2005 1:20 pm)

That's very interesting. The pro diesel groups think that once ULSD becomes available nationwide there will be a flood of oil burners coming on the market. My dollar is on the hybrid technology. The GS looks fantastic on paper. If you were really eager, you could have been one of the first to get an exclusive copy from Neiman Marcus. I have a feeling they sold out. Good luck!!!
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Re: Lexus is not an economy car [falconone] by idele
Dec 19, 2005 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: falconone (Dec 19, 2005 1:42 pm)

According to the Financial Times article, the European auto manufacturers are protesting vehemently. It's not diesel versus hybrid. A diesel hybrid certainly makes sense especially if the diesel ran at a fixed rpm which would yield the best fuel economy.
I wouldn't buy a car that I couldn't test drive first, so that ruled out N-M. An order at a dealer is always subject to refusing delivery. I will be in Japan next month and I hope to see the car in a Lexus dealer showroom.

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