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Re: This debate has been going on..... [pmc4] by fedlawman
Dec 07, 2007 (11:52 am)

Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 06, 2007 9:11 pm)

"GM is currently on the forefront of asserting its technological leadership in environmentaly-friendly vehicles (Tahoe hybrid, Escalade hybrid, Saturn hybrid and the inevitable Chevrolet Volt)...unlike Toyota which is still stuck with First-Generation hybrid technology and will for some time to come"
 
The brand new Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid gets 2 extra MPG (city) over the standard 4 cylinder Malibu and adds ZERO horsepower.
 
The Toyota Camry Hybrid gets 12 extra MPG (city) over the standard 4 cylinder Camry and adds 29 horsepower.
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A General Question by chrmdome
Dec 07, 2007 (11:57 am)
Greetings.
 
I have a general question for all the Corvette owners who come on this forum. The easiest way to get someone PO'ed is to critique a man's dog car or wife. This being so, why do Corvette guys come on this form and critique Porsche? I would really doubt , knowing the Porsche crowd, that we would go to your forum and put down Corvette. They are different cars. I'm comfortable owning my 2006 C2S. It's a world class car in most everyones opinion..and I'm not of the nature to put down what you own...what gives? Let's bypass the BS reasons and give me one good reason why this is being done. If you put down my Porsche is does nothing but start the fire...
 
Chromedome
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Re: A General Question [chrmdome] by starrow68
Dec 07, 2007 (12:43 pm)

Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 07, 2007 11:57 am)

chrmdome: " ... why do Corvette guys come on this form and critique Porsche? I would really doubt , knowing the Porsche crowd, that we would go to your forum and put down Corvette. "
 
I'm not doing a critique on a Porsche, I'm doing a comparison given info provided by
published sources, one being the owner of this forum, presumably. You ask why
someone comes on a Porsche forum, this is about sportscars, not just P cars, and
at least in my world, sportscars go around corners, not through mud, most of the
time.
You ask questions but seem to not want to respond to any. With what you have
acknowledged is a performance car that has, as you note, a top speed of 184mph,
why don't you get it out where it can exceed some speed limits and see what it is
really capable of? If you have it to drive it why be limited to 65 or 70mph when there
are lots of options to safely expand your knowledge of how to drive what you spent
some pretty good bucks acquiring? If you get passed by a Corvette, remember it
is just someone that has more time on track and you will soon show how superior
your machine can be handled! Looking forward to your first track report.
 
Off to Thunderhill on Sunday for what turns out to be the last Street School hosted
by the track. Thunderhill is owned by (Please Note) the SCCA, SF region. After
this event, the track is going to sublet instruction of new drivers to one of the many
private track event organizations, HookedonDriving. I expect I will see many P cars
and a few Corvettes since they have over 50 drivers set up for instruction. Should
be an amazingly beautiful day to enjoy showing a few folks how to better enjoy what
they drive.
Randy
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Re: A General Question [starrow68] by chrmdome
Dec 07, 2007 (2:08 pm)

Replying to: starrow68 (Dec 07, 2007 12:43 pm)

Sir:
 
I live in a nice neighborhood... at least 3 Porsches, many BMW's, many MB's and at least 2 Corvettes. Not a single track guy amongst us. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy my C2S . I went to the North Shore of Hawaii to go surfing a few years ago and while I was there the waves were at least 15 feet. Talking to one of the locals ( I didn't go out ) he commented( he didn't go out either ) " You have to know your limitations" . I never WANT to go 135mph... that ( again ) doesn't mean I don't enjoy my car. Some posters have stated Porsche has cheap plastic and archaic materials....come on, we all know Porsche is state of the art ..but some have to make that idiotic statement to feed the flame. My point is that critiquing my car, when it's a world class machine by anyones standards, does not elevate yours, the comments do nothing other than lower those who make the comments. Myself included. My questions were not retorical.. I got you to respond. I get so much enjoyment just driving my car down to the beach that I don't need the negitivism of thinking what I don't like about your car... so why are you guys so up tight about Porsche? Enyoy your cars... it's not worth the brain space. Lexus copies BMW and MB No car company is dumb enough to try to make their car look like a Porsche or a Corvette .Basically , knocking my car doesn't make your car better
 
Chromedome
#497 of 522
Once again by pat HOST
Dec 07, 2007 (2:14 pm)
The making of this conversation about each other needs to stop.
 
The discussion is about Sports Cars. It is about all the cars listed at the top. It is okay that someone comes here to talk about any of those listed cars.
 
It is not okay to make the conversation about other posters.
 
Again, if you don't like what someone else is saying, just skip the post. There is this handy-dandy secret "ignore" feature we have here in CarSpace known as the "scroll wheel" - if you are tempted to attack the person who posted the message you just read, just scroll on by.
 
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Re: A General Question [chrmdome] by pmc4
Dec 07, 2007 (6:21 pm)

Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 07, 2007 2:08 pm)

OK, there's an impression that--while the Vette is superior to the GT3--it falls short in the 'dash-stroking' category. Usually reviewers from foreign, German automotive magazine publications. I don't know where they get their crazy ideas!:
 
$120,000 Porsche GT3. Notice the vertical "grand canyon" panel gaps in and around the glovebox, and general cheapness all around:
 

 
Here's the $75,000 LeMans and ALMS-winning sportscar to which all other sportscars in the world are judged:
 

 
No grand canyons here, folks! No junky interior panels. Just pure business.
#499 of 522
Re: A General Question [pmc4] by chrmdome
Dec 07, 2007 (7:27 pm)

Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 07, 2007 6:21 pm)

Sir:
 
We are done buying into your insults. I really wish you the best. I hope you enjoy your car to the max. Good night. Oh, by the way, in the Corvette ..why is the parking brake handle on the passengers side...doesn't seem logical? It seems like you'd have to reach over the center counsel to reach it. Just wondering...Junky? What...
 
Chromedome
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Re: A General Question [pmc4] by paisan
Dec 07, 2007 (7:35 pm)

Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 07, 2007 6:21 pm)

Here's the $75,000 LeMans and ALMS-winning sportscar to which all other sportscars in the world are judged:
 
No Offense but no race car has an interior anything like either of those two above pictures. Anyone who actually goes out and races or has built a racecar knows that there is very little that is kept true to a street machine once it's been converted over for race duty.
 
I don't see any fire suppression on either car.
I don't see any roll cages on either car.
Heck I don't even see seats that would be legal in even the lowest level of club racing!
They both have airbags, which are absolutely not allowed in racing.
 

 
So let's calm down with the "Racing" comments since we are talking about street cars here.
 
-mike
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Re: A General Question [pmc4] by chrmdome
Dec 07, 2007 (8:07 pm)

Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 07, 2007 6:21 pm)

Sir:
 
Without beating the dead horse too many times! Please do a little research and review the massive number on wins that Porsche has posted in the last 58 years, in all categories. Porsche has been on the forefront of bringing racing technology to their " street " machines since 1948. I remember Tiger Woods being slammed about his " B game " comment. He is an asonishing golf prodigy!.... but he has not beat Jack Nicklas' record of major wins yet.A simple broken finger could ruin his career. One win does not a legend make. Rather than using a picture to make a judgement of the interior quality of the 997 and 997S , because this is what we are talking about here..street machines ( the 997S being the most popular in the line )go down to your local Porsche dealer and take a look, preferably at one that offers a full leather interior. You will see the world class fit/ finish /material and build quality. I've seen the Corvette...More than one car mag writer has positioned the 997 as the worlds premier sports car, regardless of those who make unjustified and biased comments . Elevation to world class stature takes more than a critique of your opponent, to be a true winner you have to have class. More " Evolution than Revolution" is what embodies Porsche The Corvette and the Porsche 997 are 2 vastly different cars, from the Porsche being a true 2+2, to it's unibody contruction , European design and engineering to it's heritage and history. With the car world in general recognizing the position the Porsche holds ..how can you be so critical? It just doesn't make sense.
 
Chromedome
#502 of 522
Re: A General Question [pmc4] by chrmdome
Dec 07, 2007 (8:29 pm)

Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 07, 2007 6:21 pm)

Sir:
 
PS I'm getting tired, yawn ( also of this ) so don't listen to my diatribe. Go to Edmunds : Full Test: 2007 Porsche 911 S... Mr. Huffman dosen't seem to find any glaring issues with the 997, his comments are on the contrary,you have to trust someone. I'm figuring it's his business so who do you believe? I'm done.
 
Chromedome

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