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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 06, 2007 7:38 am) This is the great crime with clever advertising agencies: They easily decieve people who are too unwilling to do any research. Truth be told, gentlemen, the Corvette gets roughly the same gas mileage as the far weaker, smaller Honda S2000 convertible (16/24 versus 15/26 with 240 hp/160 ft/lbs versus 430 hp and 400 ft/lbs). Furthermore the story is the same with the Porsche Boxster: far weaker than the Vette, yet similar MPG figures. It gets worse with Italians, of course, where they get like 10 mpg. As much as the America haters would like to turn away from the truth, GM is currently on the forefront of asserting its technological leadership in environmentaly-friendly vehicles (Tahoe hybrid, Escalade hybrid, Saturn hybrid and the inevitable Chevrolet Volt). I know those of you who hate things that are from America or have an American-branded theme (GE, GM, Boeing) will NOT DO ANY RESEARCH into these hybrids GM is making. To do so means finding out that an American company is going to win the enviroment wars. And unlike Toyota which is still stuck with First-Generation hybrid technology and will for some time to come, GM is willing to share its technology with other automakers at a reasonable price like BMW and Mercedes Benz (the Ford Escape hybrid doesn't count, since Toyota overcharged the technology to begin with, ensuring Toyota would be the only company with Synergy Drive).
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Replying to: starrow68 (Dec 06, 2007 8:13 am) than 3000 if memory serves. I wish that Grassrootsmotorsports had posted the results of the Ultimate Trackcar Challenge for reference, they are in the Nov. issue. A non-professional who built his car with his dad brought a C5Z into 2nd place overall and 1st for class beating several exotics with pro drivers who were in the upper class. There weren't too many Porsches to be seen but the 924S did win it's class for smaller engines and non-racing tires. Tommy Archer in his Euro-spec Viper Comp Coupe did 1:28.4 on the VIR 2.2m north course while the Vette did 1:31.1 and the next fastest of the pro shop entries came in at 1:33.8. Quite a spread. The 911 entry that was on the invite list seems to have been a no show. Randy" The guy who posted this is your typical automotive enthusiast: Thorough knowledge of motorsports, an obvoius and passionate racing hobby and a penchant for racing Corvettes... |
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Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 06, 2007 12:40 pm) Build quality and material quality/ fit/finish aside ( to me it's far worth the money ), it is interesting, relative to your explanation of the archaic frame/iron engine componets that the Porsche 997 uses etc. , that the Porsche engineers are able to keep the comparitive 0-60 times, braking etc, etc, so close , sometimes beating , sometimes not, that of the Corvette. Like I said in a past post, it would be really interesting to see the Corvette on a dirt rally tract in the Black Forest in Germany spiting a lot of mud but with no forward movement, or at a Targa Florio type road race....few " straight lines " The Porsche was built for different reasons for different Dude. You keep bring up riding a Corvette in the Black Forest or something when Car and Driver magazine just got done running a Vette entirely thru the State of Alaska thru mud, water, gunk, bumps and boulders, and the car returned without a single problem. ...Which is a suprise considering the car is made entirely of exotic materials and Porsche models seem to made of "durable" materials like iron and steel.
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Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 06, 2007 2:31 pm) Yo: Yes , and by the way the " little black car " in the picture posted is an early VW...we all know the success story behind that company. Porsche AG , also by the way, is a major shareholder in Volkswagen...WHY????? Because Porsche AG has been so successful, knowing a good investment when they see one. No one in their right mind would look at Hitler as something positive , I see no humor there!... the example was used to show the heritage and history behind the Porsche company. That aside, the racing victories stand alone as testament to the engineering and world wide appeal of Porsche that many have labeled (the 911-997) as the worlds' premier sportscar, US magazines among them. And the debate drags on, except there are very few people who own Porsches posting on the Corvette forums.....everyone is always comparing their cars to Porsche. Obviously Porsche is the standard to which many others must compare. Nuff said! Lol, chromedome please realise that Porsche almost went BK early 1990's because of masterpieces like the 924 that shared it's 100 hp engine with the AMC Gremlin (Google if you don't believe), or the 944 that belted out an astounding 140 hp engine and ripped thru the 1/4-mi at 16 seconds at like 60 MPH. Econoboxes from Honda were running the quarter mile faster for crying out loud!... The 928 (the only Porsche I like except the GT3) was like 90% Volkswagon. As far as racing heritage, where is it? I mean, you can say that the Chicago Cubs have a baseball heritage but they never won the World Series. In like manner, Porsche has yet to consistiently beat Corvette at LeMans, even though the Vette is in the GTS class and the Porsche is in the GT class. If you give a monkey a computer and extend his life by about 1 million years, by all probabilities, he will likely type out a Shakespareian play within that time. If you give some guy an underpowered, underachieving "race" car and have him race it at LeMans for about 80 years, by probabilities, he'll probably win once or twice... |
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Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 06, 2007 9:23 pm) As presented, you rebut your own statement. Finally!.... Corvette has done something that Porsche has been doing for YEARS....taking the vehicle off road. Isn't it totally fantastic that Porsche can do with archaic materials such as iron and steel what it takes Corvette to do with fiberglass ( ya, an exotic material there... 60's technology like surfboards. ) I saw not exotic material inside my brothers Vette! Now carbon fiber could be called exotic..Did they take this little trek with a Porsche.. maybe next year. Anyways , I call you "Sir", you call me "Dude" An obvious illustration of one who drives a Corvette and one who drives a Porsche.Old porn star vs. business man. You still don't get it.. I don't care Chromedome |
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Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 06, 2007 8:57 pm) 15 posts regarding Porsche interior plastics. 9 posts about interior panel fit and finish/ 8 posts about Porsche reliability. 2 vaguely worded posts about Porsche's handling charasteristics. 3 posts regarding the stitching of the leather in Porsche cars. Only ONE post about Porsche acceleration times, braking times, use of exotic, lightweight componentry, tuning of the drivetrain and power to weight ratio/ ZERO posts about Porsche top speed. ZERO posts about Porsche fuel efficiency. ZERO posts about Porsche actually winning a comparison test against the Vette, except in the Porsche 911thread. Pathetic... Just pathetic...
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Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 06, 2007 9:48 pm) And quite astonishing, not only can a Corvette owner read.. he can count!...Well ..I WAS wrong.. not a single word about Porsche interior plastics... I have a full leather interior... thank you and... it's not the vinyl quality leather found in Corvette. 997 C2S: 184mph top... and where does that get us... in the slammer.....real world issues ....NOT! All the mags go back and forth between awarding Corvette or Porsche 1st or 2nd. The issue is... I don't care about Corevette .,.. why do you Corvette guys care so much about Porsche? Blah, Blah Blah.. now go grab your bleached blond girl friend and take a spin... because that is the perception of Corvette..9 inch pink nails an a pack of Camels. Enjoy Chromedome |
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Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 06, 2007 9:11 pm) Just so that I understand... is laying down fiberglass " Eco Friendly"? I've been surfing all my life and resin is certainly not " Eco Friendly ", nor is fiberglass. American haters? I own a 2002 Chevy Tahoe and a 2007 Chevy Silverado. You have gone off issue...it's Corevette vs Porsche and,...by the way ..why are you over here on the Porsche forum ? Finally WE DON'T CARE! Chromedome |
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Let's drop the personal comments, please. BTW, there's no need to engage in an argument if you feel the conversation isn't making sense. Not responding is the best way to get the discussion to go away. 
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Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 06, 2007 9:11 pm) The brand new Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid gets 2 extra MPG (city) over the standard 4 cylinder Malibu and adds ZERO horsepower. The Toyota Camry Hybrid gets 12 extra MPG (city) over the standard 4 cylinder Camry and adds 29 horsepower.
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