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Porsche 911, Chevrolet Corvette, Ferrari F430, Lotus Exige, Lotus Elise, Coupe
#474 of 532 Re: Porsche ad [fedlawman]
Dec 06, 2007 (4:40 am)
Dec 06, 2007 12:45 am)
"the Corvette is the envy of the automotive world."
Only when Porsche and Ferrari develop their own cheap plastic interiors, notchy shifters, numb steering, and leaf-spring suspensions can they cease envying the exalted Chevrolet.
Well put. To each his own though. Sometimes people are ledgends in their own mind This debate is not likely to get solved here or anywhere. Some people like the vette, some don't. Then again I get into debates on a few hi-performance boat boards that I'm on about how buying a non-american truck is anti-american, when in fact a lot of "american" trucks are made in Canada and Mexico, whereas a lot of the "japanese" trucks are made in the US.
#475 of 532 Re: Porsche ad [paisan]
Dec 06, 2007 (6:54 am)
For the record, I like the Corvette a lot. I just believe that you get what you pay for, and there's a reason why the Vette "only" costs $45,000.
#476 of 532 This debate has been going on.....
Dec 06, 2007 (7:38 am)
for as long as there have been Corvettes so it is not likely to be resolved any time soon. I must've spent half my college years ('61-'65) arguing the merits of Big Healeys and Jags vs.'Vettes (back then Porsches were just oddball little cars with the motor in the wrong end.).
I like Corvettes and admire their current commitment to balance and lightness but I think I'm too Euro-oriented to ever buy one but that could change if the ever get the fuel consumption down to a reasonable level for a world of $3.00+ gasoline.
#477 of 532 Re: Porsche ad [pmc4]
Dec 06, 2007 (8:13 am)
pmc4: " ... while the Corvette is the envy of the automotive world. "
And I thought I was pro Vette. However, I'm pretty sure the C6Z is closer to 3130#
than 3000 if memory serves. I wish that Grassrootsmotorsports had posted the
results of the Ultimate Trackcar Challenge for reference, they are in the Nov. issue.
A non-professional who built his car with his dad brought a C5Z into 2nd place
overall and 1st for class beating several exotics with pro drivers who were in the
upper class. There weren't too many Porsches to be seen but the 924S did win
it's class for smaller engines and non-racing tires. Tommy Archer in his Euro-spec
Viper Comp Coupe did 1:28.4 on the VIR 2.2m north course while the Vette did
1:31.1 and the next fastest of the pro shop entries came in at 1:33.8. Quite a
spread. The 911 entry that was on the invite list seems to have been a no show.
#478 of 532 Re: This debate has been going on..... [andys120]
Dec 06, 2007 (8:19 am)
andys120: " ... but that could change if the ever get the fuel consumption down to a reasonable level ... "
I guess you would have to define reasonable, but right now my daily driver shows
about 23mpg and that is lots of mile to 4 mile freeway jaunts which are more
acceleration than cruising. When I go to the track, 100+ miles I usually get 27mpg
if I keep it around the speed limit. I did have one trip last year in some rain, good to
keep 275 front tires pretty slow in the puddles and came in with just above 30 mpg
for the trip. A 6sp with .5/1 top gear in a C5 will be doing less than 1500 rpm at
#479 of 532 Re: Porsche ad [pmc4]
Dec 06, 2007 (12:40 pm)
Build quality and material quality/ fit/finish aside ( to me it's far worth the money ), it is interesting, relative to your explanation of the archaic frame/iron engine componets that the Porsche 997 uses etc. , that the Porsche engineers are able to keep the comparitive 0-60 times, braking etc, etc, so close , sometimes beating , sometimes not, that of the Corvette. Like I said in a past post, it would be really interesting to see the Corvette on a dirt rally tract in the Black Forest in Germany spiting a lot of mud but with no forward movement, or at a Targa Florio type road race....few " straight lines " The Porsche was built for different reasons for different seasons and with different engineering. How a 355 hp machine , rear engined , auto can post such comparitive times/statistics with that of a same weight if not lighter 500 hp auto is quite compelling on the engineering side of things. It cost more because of the materials, research , high cost of build and the Euro/Dollar values...and the overseas transport.The American mags seem to just love fueling this debate.... Chevy seems to be a heavy advertiser in " Road and Track " No Duh! One other thing I have noticed, it just seems, that the Corvette guys are always bringing up the comparisons. I don't go on the Corvette forums and post my feelings about Porsche.....I really don't care. Enjoy your car, I'll enjoy mime...by the way Porsche AG is the number "1" most profitable, successful auto maker EVER. GM has lost more money over the last 10 years than you could stuff in the superdome.....wonder why??
#480 of 532 Re: Porsche ad [pmc4]
Dec 06, 2007 (2:31 pm)
Yes , and by the way the " little black car " in the picture posted is an early VW...we all know the success story behind that company. Porsche AG , also by the way, is a major shareholder in Volkswagen...WHY????? Because Porsche AG has been so successful, knowing a good investment when they see one. No one in their right mind would look at Hitler as something positive , I see no humor there!... the example was used to show the heritage and history behind the Porsche company. That aside, the racing victories stand alone as testament to the engineering and world wide appeal of Porsche that many have labeled (the 911-997) as the worlds' premier sportscar, US magazines among them. And the debate drags on, except there are very few people who own Porsches posting on the Corvette forums.....everyone is always comparing their cars to Porsche. Obviously Porsche is the standard to which many others must compare. Nuff said!
#481 of 532 Re: Porsche ad [chrmdome]
Dec 06, 2007 (5:53 pm)
chrmdome: " ... How a 355 hp machine , rear engined , auto can post such comparitive times/statistics with that of a same weight if not lighter 500 hp auto is quite compelling on the engineering side of things. ... "
I think you missed a few beats. The comparisons were to the standard Vette, not
the Z06. You really should get out to a track some time and see what going around
a road course is all about, if you have a performance car, that is!
#482 of 532 Performance car??
Dec 06, 2007 (8:21 pm)
Yes, you must be right.... " if you have a perfromance car that is". My 2006 997 C2S isn't a performance car? Some reports list 0-60mph times at 3.9 sec., much less all the world class braking, turning etc issues. Why is it that the Corvette guys are always looking to knock Porsche, everyone is always trying to compare the two? As a Porsche owner I have never looked for a comparison to the Corvette. When I got in my brothers 2006 Corvette the day he bought the car , things didn't fit correctly, the interior was plain... the fit and finish was not " world class " My 2006 C2S didn't have a stitch out of place. A car is more than an insturment to get from point a to point b fast. I have never looked at my C2S as transportation... I don't drive it to work.... I drive it to drive it .. as it has pleased myself and many other Porsche owners very well. Enjoy your Vette and quit looking for a comparison to Porsche to make you feel better. As the saying goes " There is no comparison " Porsche and I know that. The horse is dead so no sense beating it. I'm done... the point is I really don't care what the Corvette guys think.. please just enjoy your car as much as I do mine.
#483 of 532 Re: Porsche ad [fedlawman]
Dec 06, 2007 (8:57 pm)
And while we are on this subject , I invite all the 2007 Corvette owners to go to:
www.corvetteactioncenter.com and check out all the service bulletins. We are not talking Cds caught in the changer here. Enjoy and go ahead...compare yourself to Porsche as much as you'd like. Since 2004 the 997 has had basically zero problems. Since cars are man made... there will always be issues but as far as cars go ....the 997 is virtually error free. You Corvette guys are too much!