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#625 of 674 Re: CTS [62vetteefp]
Feb 19, 2007 (11:19 am)
Pretty much. Again '62, I mostly deal with the BIW in my profession, maybe you just dealt with the interiors, colors and such while you were at GM. I deal with the entire platform, drivetrain, pick-up points, the nuts/bolts and manufacturing. That's what is so great about my job; I not only get to design the parts, I build them too. And the tools and that build the parts. Comes in handy when I R/R components on my own and friends vehicles. So really, in my eyes, I see them as all the same.
#626 of 674 Re: cars [62vetteefp]
Feb 19, 2007 (11:27 am)
Selling like mad where - certainly not in my neck of the woods, must be in yours.
that's good they are getting in/out the door that fast
Agree, thought I stated that
No, not the new exciting products to come line. That may be able to be said about Saturn, but what the heck was/is so exciting about the G5?
Really? Blew Miata away, hmmmmm, interesting?! Personally I'd still rather have the MX5.
Again, I ask that of you? The cars, light trucks, the bread & butter vehicles. C'mon you know what I meant. I was then and now am being serious, no jokes.
Initial is there I agree, but what about long term, which is what I'm most concerned with
I know, which is good
Feb 21, 2007 (11:32 am)
My previous life worked pretty much every where on the vehicles and I sat in a lot of meetings and watched and learned what others were doing.
Feb 21, 2007 (11:38 am)
Sky/Solstice still have almost the shortest turn around time at the dealers and still outsell the MX5. Most seem to want the GM ones. They are a niche product like the MX5 and will not be everywhere.
Nothing really exciting about the G5 but it is selling very well. The G6 is a nice vehicle and is selling decently. Not a world class interior but a great looker. the G8 will be nice. Ask the Austrailian guys.
Saturn products? Aura car of the year. Outlook a wonder ful vehicle. the new Astra whatever from europe is a great vehicle at its price point. Sky is great. Saturn has a great lineup now.
#629 of 674 Re: cars [62vetteefp]
Feb 22, 2007 (10:23 am)
the Saturn lineup has improved, great is stretching it considering they still have the Ion, Vue and Relay on their lots. Also remember that they once sold over 200k S-series, now they sell over 200k vehicles total and they have 4-5 cars.
It's going to take some time for people to forget the L-series, Ion and Relay and return to the Saturn lots. I'm not convinced the Outlook will enjoy the success GM expects. Very nice vehicle but are people ready to spend $29k for a glorified Saturn minivan when they still have visions of the Relay. I don't know. Subaru ran into this same problem as they elevated their prices. They are struggling right now.
Saturn still needs to change people's perception of the company. Years of neglect can't be replaced by a couple of good cars. More advertising will help.
#630 of 674 Re: CTS [62vetteefp]
Feb 22, 2007 (11:29 am)
Hopefully when you were learning you learned what not to do
But in all serious, I do think that GM is improving; I don't really see anything earth-shattering, but the cars are getting better. The only problem is that competitive line keeps moving and until they have consistent product that advances the line, instead of just "close but not quite", they will still be in a reactive mode.
#631 of 674 Re: cars [dtownfb]
Feb 22, 2007 (11:33 am)
Good point dt,
This just echoes a great deal of GM's problems. People have long memories of "failures" and won't return just because there are new cars that are promoted as better. It can take years just to persuade someone to take another look at Saturn, let only any GM product; even longer to get them to actually buy one. Especially if their replacement was/is superior in many areas.
#632 of 674 Re: Yes. He does. You watch... [dhanley]
Feb 23, 2007 (3:50 pm)
Did you see the GM logo on the 09' Camaro concepts belt buckles ?
#633 of 674 Re: Yes. He does. You watch... [rockylee]
Feb 23, 2007 (3:59 pm)
No, i didn't. I did see it at the chicago autoshow, and thought it was a good looking car, but we couldn't sit inside.
#634 of 674 Re: Yes. He does. You watch... [dhanley]
Feb 23, 2007 (4:00 pm)
Well they are their. Saw it in Motor Trend on the Convertible