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Re: Toyota is quitting F1 [jlbl] by andys120
Nov 04, 2009 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 04, 2009 12:59 pm)

He's probably crying because they pissed away a few billion for nought. Toyota's departure means not one Asian maker left in Grand Pric racing yet a significant portion of races are held in Asia.
 
Something wrong with that picture? I for one think F1 needs to focus more on Europe, North and South America, less on marginal markets in Asia
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Re: Toyota is quitting F1 [andys120] by jlbl
Nov 05, 2009 (3:09 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Nov 04, 2009 1:27 pm)

I couldn't agree more, Andy. Problem is all the money Bernie Ecclestone is making with the new spectacular/exotic circuits licensed by him around the world.
 
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Jose
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Quitting by jlbl
Nov 06, 2009 (4:49 am)
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And Renault, which has won the Championships (drivers, constructors, engines) several times, is also considering leaving F1. Robert Kubica must be very disappointed
 
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Jose
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Re: Quitting [jlbl] by steve_ HOST
Nov 06, 2009 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 06, 2009 4:49 am)

Let's buy our own Ferrari and sponsor a team.
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Re: Quitting [jlbl] by andys120
Nov 06, 2009 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 06, 2009 4:49 am)

If Renault were to quit F1, the financial basis of the sport would be seriously undermined. Apparently Bridgestone has dropped out as well. I don't see how Daimler, Ferrari/Fiat and Red Bull can support the sport, it's hit the iceburg and taking on water.
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Re: Quitting [andys120] by jlbl
Nov 06, 2009 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Nov 06, 2009 10:11 am)

Indeed Renault out of F1 would be a great loss IMO. It is one of the big teams. FOTA will miss Renault as long as FIA and Ecclestone will be less challenged in the battle for F1 leadership.
 
On the other hand, Renault t is a big sponsor not only of sport teams but also of entire "lower" championships in which young drivers have the opportunity to build up themselves as experienced pilots. Renault has a strong sport background, I will be glad if it stays in F1 eventually.
 
Bridgestone leaving F1 was agreed time ago. Its contract as the one and only tyre supplier of F1 ends at the end of 2010 season. Michelin will take over Bridgestone then.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Mercededs GP by jlbl
Nov 16, 2009 (5:57 am)
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Brawn GP becomes Mercedes GP
 
Mercedes Benz has bought Brawn GP 75,1%; Ross Brawn keeps as the team principal.
 
Regards,
Jose
 
Edit: In turn McLaren is buying MB share in McLaren F1 team along the next two years. McLaren will at the same time buy shares of Daimler. McLaren will still use MB engines in F1.
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Re: Mercededs GP [jlbl] by andys120
Nov 16, 2009 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 16, 2009 5:57 am)

Cool beans, Merc hasn't had it's own F1 team since it dominated F1 in the early 50s>
 
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Re: Mercededs GP [andys120] by jlbl
Nov 16, 2009 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Nov 16, 2009 7:05 am)

Mercedes GP shall again use the silver body-painting as it used to? Will it be out of McLarens? In fact the silver painting was the color of German race cars those days.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Mercededs GP [jlbl] by andys120
Nov 16, 2009 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 16, 2009 7:16 am)

Good question, Jose. Silver wasn't specifically the color of Mercedes, it was the national racing color of Germany going back to the 1930s (it was employed by both Auto Union and M-B). The use of national colors went out the window in the late '60s when Colin Chapman started painting Lotus F1 cars the color of Player Cigarette packages (red/white) and others soon followed with the liveries of thir sponsors.
 
It's gone so far that IMO it needs to be rethought. They've completely eliminated identifying numerals on cars so that often even the TV commentators can't tell which car is which
 
Notice how prominent the numeral on Fangio's car is. Perhaps instead of mandating that team cars wear identical liveries, they should change that to mandating contrasting color schemes and restore a basic element of spectator-friendliness to a sport that could sorely use it.

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