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Aug 06, 2013 (6:33 pm)
How many more ways will they find to "improve" the manual transmission? Throttle-by-wire usually sucks, electric steering ALWAYS sucks, now they are planning on introducing clutch-by-wire:
Robert Bosch's eClutch system could help put manual transmissions back on car buyers' shopping lists.
The eClutch eliminates two things drivers dislike most about cars with stick shifts: stalling and frequent use of the clutch pedal in stop-and-go traffic.
The eClutch can also improve fuel economy between 5 and 10 percent, Bosch engineers say.
During a recent press event here, reporters test drove an Audi A3 hatchback that Bosch had fitted with an eClutch. The car uses a standard clutch pedal and shifter and looks like any other vehicle with a manual transmission.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20130806/OEM06/308079999/bosch-clutch-by-wire-pr- - events-stalling-boosts-mpg?cciid=email-autonews-mbs&r=7000G0458689C5Q#axzz2bA5Hw- - 2oN
If the clutch is an endangered species, I will take mine manually operated and connected to the clutch plate by a hydraulic connection until the third pedal is well and truly deceased.
#9964 of 10048 Re: Egads [nippononly]
Aug 06, 2013 (6:54 pm)
honestly not sure how I feel about this, but I would love to try it. It almost sounds like a DSG with no auto mode, and the "pretend" clutch pedal some people have joked about.
actually, sounds like a modern interpretation of the old VW semi-automatic set up.
also sounds like something that could be useful in a semi?
Aug 07, 2013 (8:03 am)
I'm not sure either. I think it would drive me nuts because I'd be in two worlds at the same time, not knowing how to act.
#9966 of 10048 Re: Egads [stickguy]
Aug 07, 2013 (9:27 am)
It almost sounds like a DSG with no auto mode, and the "pretend" clutch pedal some people have joked about.
That sounds like exactly what it is. But, if it has no automatic shifting, then it is still a manual; it's just a different interpretation of it. I'll pass... for now!
#9967 of 10048 Re: Egads [xwesx]
Aug 07, 2013 (9:31 am)
just a fancy automated clutch. VW/Porsche and many others have done that in the past.
#9968 of 10048 Some Would Say. . .
Aug 07, 2013 (12:09 pm)
that if there are three pedals under the dashboard, it's a manual.
#9969 of 10048 Re: Some Would Say. . . [cdnpinhead]
Aug 07, 2013 (12:23 pm)
it was never to me about the clutch. It was about the driver having to initiate a gear change (and pick the gear) or else it could not happen. Changing gears makes it a manual. the clutch is just the mechanism to avoid grinding them.
so changing the actuation method of the clutch from hydraulic to electric really does not change the transmission.
Aug 07, 2013 (12:27 pm)
what I've enjoyed since the '70s, when I drove a Datsun 240Z to the terminal and a Kenworth with a 9509 Roadranger away, with a load of boats destined for the Great Lakes or New England, or wherever, was the ability to delay shifts, skip gears, or change my mind and go back into the gear I was just in.
I drove the KW much differently when I was bobtailing than when I was pulling a heavy load. Then there's whether you're going uphill or down and all the rest. The timing between shifts is a big deal. Many of us did it with no clutch at all, but it's nice to have it when needed.
#9971 of 10048 DSG with no auto mode
Aug 08, 2013 (10:51 am)
I would agree that is exactly what this would be, and GONE would be the ability to feather the clutch, to finesse the engagement of the gears to get the timing just so, much of the stuff that makes having a clutch fun and useful.
Plus it sounds scary to me when they say they expect it to improve fuel economy by 5 to 10%. To me that smacks of "the e-clutch will do some of your thinking for you in order to maximize your fuel economy".
I don't want my clutch thinking for me. If I had my druthers they would go back to the old chain connection to the clutch plate that preceded the hydraulic systems in use today.