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Feb 01, 2013 (2:40 pm)
I trust CR most and while they have not tested identical VW's with stick and auto. They tested a Stick Golf and a dsg Jetta (Jetta only weighed 60 lbs more - including the heavier transmission). both with diesel engines. Golf was Very good overall for acceleration and Jetta was only good. Numbers below. 45-65 isn't really close. The DSG may shift fast, but it also needs time to decide what to do - a manual acts when you want it to.
Very Good Good
0 to 30 mph, sec.
0 to 60 mph, sec.
45 to 65 mph, sec.
On top of being faster the stick got 27/49 city highway to the 25/ 45 for the automatic. This is with DSG - regular automatics are worse.
They have done this comparison for many cars and the stick wins in acceleration and mpg every time. VW is the only DSG they tested with both.
#9846 of 10039 Re: - [dudleyr]
Feb 01, 2013 (2:52 pm)
I wonder and would be suspicious that some of the recent Jetta decontenting has affected the performance of the DSG to the point it's not even a "real" DSG anymore.
Afterall, when a car is "cheapened" out, it is rare that it is only visual things that are cheapened.
Also, in DSG manual mode you can always immediately select the next lower gear without any delay, although a double down shift down would take .2 seconds longer. If you just floor it in auto mode I think it's capable of shifting down more than 1 gear all at once. I'll have to run more tests.
A TDI is not meant to be performance oriented, so DSG may not pair well with it. DSG is for a performance motor, like the 2.0T.
#9847 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 01, 2013 (4:40 pm)
pathway to many abilities some consider to be… Unnatural.
Unnatural maybe...but oh so pleasurable.
#9848 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [bpizzuti]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 01, 2013 (4:43 pm)
well perhaps to those who have swooned under the haze of gadgetry, yes, it is pleasurable, but who among the 3-pedal crowd would choose this path of perfumed indolence? Not us, we're rugged individualists!
#9849 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 01, 2013 (5:55 pm)
well, I certainly think you and I should be exalted leaders of this particular sect. Just based on our names.
I would not even feel awkward about it now, since I have a stick in the driveway again!
#9850 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [stickguy]
Feb 01, 2013 (6:02 pm)
Oh great the old fogies are gonna create a cult around an antiquated piece of technology, heh.
Just be careful. Worshiping the Almighty Stick has an awful lot of interesting connotations, many of which are not family friendly, and some of which are just plain hilarious.
#9851 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [bpizzuti]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 01, 2013 (7:44 pm)
One could say the same of guns, cigars and golf for that matter---. Why not target-shoot with a gun that has radar-guided bullets?---you don't even have to aim, and you will enjoy the full illusion of competence as a marksman.
#9852 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 01, 2013 (8:36 pm)
put that on a golf club and make it work, and you will be able to buy Bill Gates.
#9853 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [stickguy]
Feb 02, 2013 (4:59 am)
Yeah, it also might actually make golf popular.
#9854 of 10039 Re: stickshift jedi [bpizzuti]
Feb 02, 2013 (7:29 am)
"...Just be careful. Worshiping the Almighty Stick has an awful lot of interesting connotations, many of which are not family friendly, and some of which are just plain hilarious. "...
I really think it is the OTHER way around. Most of the worship, more importantly the monies have gone into "automatic"(transmissions) improvements, that so far have really not overcome the third pedals performance parameters, i.e. parasitic forces, mpg , range of mpg, durability, cost, to name a few, other than the automatics are ...automatic. At that, there has been, is and probably will remain a considerable premium, albeit for 47 years that I have been driving.
I say this from the perspective of owning automatics; 3,4,6,7,8 speeds, (3- in a 1950's car) 4,5,6 speeds manuals and a six speed DSG.
Further, I do really like the 8 speed A/T, 6 speed manual Tremec and 6 speed DSG. In the case of the 8 speed A/T, it is standard with no other transmission offering. In that sense, the extra cost (app 1,200) is built into the cost structure making it opaque. The 4,5,6, speed manuals almost all have had the A/T( extra cost option) The DSG was an 1,100 extra cost option over a 6 speed M/T standard.