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#9840 of 10048 Re: stickshift jedi [elias]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 01, 2013 (12:21 pm)
" “The Dark Side of the Force (DSF---that's the one just before DSG ) is the pathway to many abilities some consider to be… Unnatural.”
#9841 of 10048 Re: - [dudleyr]
Feb 01, 2013 (12:25 pm)
Manual transmissions are immune to those mind control games.
Of course that means manuals = Jabba the Hut.
#9842 of 10048 Re: - [dudleyr]
Feb 01, 2013 (1:20 pm)
Use the power of the stick, Luke.
I find your lack of shifting......disturbing.
#9843 of 10048 Re: - [dudleyr]
Feb 01, 2013 (2:10 pm)
Nah, it's written even in VW the DSG will make you about .2 faster.
With launch control it might be even more and for sure more consistent victories if your drag racing a lot.
I Just extrapolate that if it's .2 faster 0-60, it probably is a little faster 20-80 , 40-60, 40-70, 0-100, and any other measurement of speed. It just shifts so fast there is no way to beat it.
Feb 01, 2013 (2:16 pm)
And on fast rewind, you can get through a movie in a matter of minutes!
Feb 01, 2013 (2:40 pm)
I trust CR most and while they have not tested identical VW's with stick and auto. They tested a Stick Golf and a dsg Jetta (Jetta only weighed 60 lbs more - including the heavier transmission). both with diesel engines. Golf was Very good overall for acceleration and Jetta was only good. Numbers below. 45-65 isn't really close. The DSG may shift fast, but it also needs time to decide what to do - a manual acts when you want it to.
Very Good Good
0 to 30 mph, sec.
0 to 60 mph, sec.
45 to 65 mph, sec.
On top of being faster the stick got 27/49 city highway to the 25/ 45 for the automatic. This is with DSG - regular automatics are worse.
They have done this comparison for many cars and the stick wins in acceleration and mpg every time. VW is the only DSG they tested with both.
#9846 of 10048 Re: - [dudleyr]
Feb 01, 2013 (2:52 pm)
I wonder and would be suspicious that some of the recent Jetta decontenting has affected the performance of the DSG to the point it's not even a "real" DSG anymore.
Afterall, when a car is "cheapened" out, it is rare that it is only visual things that are cheapened.
Also, in DSG manual mode you can always immediately select the next lower gear without any delay, although a double down shift down would take .2 seconds longer. If you just floor it in auto mode I think it's capable of shifting down more than 1 gear all at once. I'll have to run more tests.
A TDI is not meant to be performance oriented, so DSG may not pair well with it. DSG is for a performance motor, like the 2.0T.
#9847 of 10048 Re: stickshift jedi [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 01, 2013 (4:40 pm)
pathway to many abilities some consider to be… Unnatural.
Unnatural maybe...but oh so pleasurable.
#9848 of 10048 Re: stickshift jedi [bpizzuti]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 01, 2013 (4:43 pm)
well perhaps to those who have swooned under the haze of gadgetry, yes, it is pleasurable, but who among the 3-pedal crowd would choose this path of perfumed indolence? Not us, we're rugged individualists!
#9849 of 10048 Re: stickshift jedi [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 01, 2013 (5:55 pm)
well, I certainly think you and I should be exalted leaders of this particular sect. Just based on our names.
I would not even feel awkward about it now, since I have a stick in the driveway again!