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#9825 of 10039 Re: Good PR [mcdawgg]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jan 30, 2013 (5:04 pm)
At least the perps didn't get so frustrated that they shot the driver.
Everything goes in cycles. A smart manual transmission company should start an ad campaign and tell the kids that they can be cooler than their parents by rowing their own gears.
Kids got tired of seeing old guys like me on snowboards so they moved on to cooler twin tips. Shoot, go more retro and put in crank windows. I bet wing vent windows would be a big hit too. Just leave the mp3 stuff.
#9826 of 10039 Re: Good PR [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 30, 2013 (5:10 pm)
Yeah, I guess that completely makes up for the Impreza getting better MPG with the CVT than the manual...and the Mazda3...and the Legacy and Outback..and the Focus...and the BRZ...and a whole lot of other cars.
Jan 30, 2013 (7:26 pm)
CX-5 gets way better mpg with manual, VW diesels as well, Cruze eco way better with manual. That is not taking into account that it is much easier for manuals to beat epa numbers. EPA tests require holding gears much longer than necessary and that hurts manuals.
I still have never seen real world evidence of any automatic beating a manual. Look at EPA website - manual wins every time for real world numbers (as long as there is a significant sample).
#9828 of 10039 Re: Good PR [bpizzuti]
Jan 31, 2013 (7:01 am)
Per the EPA, but they're almost always wrong.
CR had a good article about it a little while ago, manuals showed a distinct advantage even when EPA numbers were lower.
At best the auto tied the manual in the real world loop.
#9829 of 10039 Re: Good PR [bpizzuti]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 31, 2013 (7:41 am)
Well sure, because with the CVT you're probably driving like grandpa. A fair test would be to drive both cars at the "sporting level" and see what happens.
You know what? Pushing buttons is boring (to me).
The traffic police are shooting me with radar; the parking police are holding their stopwatching, counting down to the second I'm overdue parked; the nanny gadgets need to be constantly turned off; the roads are getting more and more crowded......do automakers want to rip from my grasp that very last source of amusement I have, in enjoying my 6-speed, 3 pedal, rev where you want, shift when you want, transmission?
Must shifts be faultless--am I no longer allowed to screw up, to learn the best and smoothest way to shift?
Do I really have to pay for track time to enjoy myself anymore?
OKAY -- compromise---in a Ferrari, I could stand paddle shifters....
#9830 of 10039 Re: Good PR [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 31, 2013 (3:45 pm)
When the manual dies, will tell my grand kids about keepers of the flame, like us.
We'll be like Jedis.
Talk like this, we must.
#9831 of 10039 Re: Good PR [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 31, 2013 (3:46 pm)
I chose a DSG transmission over the manual if for no other reason than taking .2 seconds off a run from 0-60 MPH.
With 200 HP those .2 seconds matter. Now, with a 400+ HP Ferrari, that .2 seconds faster might not be so important.
Jan 31, 2013 (6:19 pm)
In a Ferrari or Porsche you might save .2 (maybe). In a more pedestrian dsg like a VW you will be faster with the manual.
Jan 31, 2013 (7:26 pm)
I am sorry but those .2 seconds are rarely going to do anything for you, but if it makes you happy so be it. I think there is way too much emphasis on 0-60 nowadays. My one cars has around a 20 sec 0-60 and I can merge onto highways safely, as a matter of fact I am often upset at the people who are merging onto the highway slower than me! This is also true in city traffic, despite having probably the slowest accelerating car on the road, I am still faster than the majority of drivers, most people don't come close to using the full potential of their cars, if you do than good for you.
#9834 of 10039 Re: 0-60 [scwmcan]
Jan 31, 2013 (7:31 pm)
My one cars has around a 20 sec 0-60 and I can merge onto highways safely...
1960's air cooled VW Beetle perhaps?
I had one of those and it wasn't very fast.