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The Future Of The Manual Transmission

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#9808 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [bpizzuti] by ateixeira

Jan 29, 2013 (7:39 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 29, 2013 7:10 am)
I'm sure they will to meet future CAFE standards. You almost have to.

#9809 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [ateixeira] by bpizzuti

Jan 29, 2013 (10:00 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 29, 2013 7:39 am)
Almost. You know the EPA's website actually says DCTs are capable of a higher percentage of fuel savings than CVTs? Maybe due to parasitic losses, some CVTs are using torque converters to get rid of the rubber-band sensation. But I did find that kind of curious.
 
DCTs seem to be harder to implement "right" however, at least partially because they're being marketed as "automatics" rather than "automated manuals." The two have a different connotation and a different expectation when it comes to smoothness.

#9810 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [bpizzuti] by andres3

Jan 29, 2013 (5:54 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 29, 2013 10:00 am)
automated manual or a manual-amatic is a good term. Basically, it means a manual transmission that works with automation.
 
Or in simple terms, a manual transmission without the 3rd pedal.

#9811 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [andres3] by xwesx

Jan 29, 2013 (5:56 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 29, 2013 5:54 pm)
It's not a manual transmission at all, though. It's an automatic.

#9812 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [xwesx] by andres3

Jan 29, 2013 (5:58 pm)

Replying to: xwesx (Jan 29, 2013 5:56 pm)
Oh.... but you have to shift the paddles manually in manual mode.

#9813 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [andres3] by xwesx

Jan 29, 2013 (6:00 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 29, 2013 5:58 pm)
Naw, just rev it high enough and they generally shift on their own. Or, stop the car and it will automatically reset to first gear.

#9814 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [xwesx] by andres3

Jan 29, 2013 (6:15 pm)

Replying to: xwesx (Jan 29, 2013 6:00 pm)
Naw, just rev it high enough and they generally shift on their own. Or, stop the car and it will automatically reset to first gear.
 
That's true, but then, how often do you find yourself driving in a way that your:
 
A) lugging the engine so low that you stall it out.
 
B) revving so high that your bouncing off the rev limiter at red-line over and over again.
 
As I've said before, I have NO problem with it shifting itself as long as it doesn't do so until the red line (every time consistently). I've seen some automatics that shift me well before the red-line and I get mad at that. That is indeed, upsetting. Perhaps the car hasn't been "trained" right, as I do remember the manual saying something about a "learning" transmission in my Audi, that adapts to your style.

#9815 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [andres3] by bpizzuti

Jan 29, 2013 (6:18 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 29, 2013 5:54 pm)
automated manual or a manual-amatic is a good term. Basically, it means a manual transmission that works with automation.
  
Or in simple terms, a manual transmission without the 3rd pedal.
 
Careful, that's not just blasphemy in the Church Of The Almighty Clutch Pedal, it's actually heresy, and could spark a holy war.

#9816 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [bpizzuti] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Jan 29, 2013 (7:04 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 29, 2013 6:18 pm)
"Or in simple terms, a manual transmission without the 3rd pedal. "
 
AND without the gearshift...just those cute little dollhouse buttons.

#9817 of 9932 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [Mr_Shiftright] by stickguy

Jan 29, 2013 (7:05 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 29, 2013 7:04 pm)
I just use the simple answer. A manual does not need a clutch, but if it can be set to shift on its own when it feels like it, it is an automatic.

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