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The Future Of The Manual Transmission

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#9805 of 9950 Re: Need some advice [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Jan 26, 2013 (9:44 am)

Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 25, 2013 7:30 pm)
Nice car the A8 but I really can't afford to keep a car like that up AND take vacations, eat out, etc. I don't mind stretching a bit to own a unique car but I'm not going to diminish my life for one.

#9806 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [bpizzuti] by andres3

Jan 28, 2013 (8:55 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 25, 2013 7:12 pm)
Being as my two favorite (thus far) car makers that I've owned in the past are using CVT... I guess I better get used to it.
 
Does Honda offer a real automatic transmission option? I know Audi does.

#9807 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [andres3] by bpizzuti

Jan 29, 2013 (7:10 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 28, 2013 8:55 pm)
Honda has actually never offered a real automatic transmission, technically. Their "automatics" have always been unique in that they're not constructed of planetary gearsets, they look more like manual transmissions with a torque converter and some automation added on.
 
And yeah, they're still in the Civic, CR-V, and everything else. So far their new CVT is limited to the Accord. I'm assuming if it's successful there it'll be deployed to other models.

#9808 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [bpizzuti] by ateixeira

Jan 29, 2013 (7:39 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 29, 2013 7:10 am)
I'm sure they will to meet future CAFE standards. You almost have to.

#9809 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [ateixeira] by bpizzuti

Jan 29, 2013 (10:00 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 29, 2013 7:39 am)
Almost. You know the EPA's website actually says DCTs are capable of a higher percentage of fuel savings than CVTs? Maybe due to parasitic losses, some CVTs are using torque converters to get rid of the rubber-band sensation. But I did find that kind of curious.
 
DCTs seem to be harder to implement "right" however, at least partially because they're being marketed as "automatics" rather than "automated manuals." The two have a different connotation and a different expectation when it comes to smoothness.

#9810 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [bpizzuti] by andres3

Jan 29, 2013 (5:54 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 29, 2013 10:00 am)
automated manual or a manual-amatic is a good term. Basically, it means a manual transmission that works with automation.
 
Or in simple terms, a manual transmission without the 3rd pedal.

#9811 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [andres3] by xwesx

Jan 29, 2013 (5:56 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 29, 2013 5:54 pm)
It's not a manual transmission at all, though. It's an automatic.

#9812 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [xwesx] by andres3

Jan 29, 2013 (5:58 pm)

Replying to: xwesx (Jan 29, 2013 5:56 pm)
Oh.... but you have to shift the paddles manually in manual mode.

#9813 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [andres3] by xwesx

Jan 29, 2013 (6:00 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 29, 2013 5:58 pm)
Naw, just rev it high enough and they generally shift on their own. Or, stop the car and it will automatically reset to first gear.

#9814 of 9950 Re: Subaru + Turbo + CVT = greatness? [xwesx] by andres3

Jan 29, 2013 (6:15 pm)

Replying to: xwesx (Jan 29, 2013 6:00 pm)
Naw, just rev it high enough and they generally shift on their own. Or, stop the car and it will automatically reset to first gear.
 
That's true, but then, how often do you find yourself driving in a way that your:
 
A) lugging the engine so low that you stall it out.
 
B) revving so high that your bouncing off the rev limiter at red-line over and over again.
 
As I've said before, I have NO problem with it shifting itself as long as it doesn't do so until the red line (every time consistently). I've seen some automatics that shift me well before the red-line and I get mad at that. That is indeed, upsetting. Perhaps the car hasn't been "trained" right, as I do remember the manual saying something about a "learning" transmission in my Audi, that adapts to your style.

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