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The Future Of The Manual Transmission

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#9567 of 9919 nissan GT-R.... automatic :| by elias

Dec 11, 2012 (4:50 am)

dude at work has a Nissan GT-R. Oh my.
at least i assume a guy owns it...
and it's got the +/- automatic thing. ew. is GT-R even available with a manual!?
 
long live the manual-transmission throwbacks...

#9568 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [elias] by habitat1

Dec 11, 2012 (5:23 am)

Replying to: elias (Dec 11, 2012 4:50 am)
Not only is the GT-R not available with a manual transmission, the DSG they use is "clunky" (Edmunds review). My experience from a couple of test drives last year was that while the GT-R may be competent on the track at 9/10ths and above, it is a raw and unrefined transmission (and car) for the other 99.5% of the miles most are driven. Compared to the Porsche PDK or even the new BMW M3/M5 DSG's, the Nissan felt like it was engineered by a Neanderthal.

#9569 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [habitat1] by bpizzuti

Dec 11, 2012 (5:58 am)

Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 11, 2012 5:23 am)
Seems like a lot of DCTs have been relatively disappointing. Ford's was also clunky at low speeds. Dodge's has been characterized as "slow." Hyundai's isn't all that well-liked in the Veloster.

#9570 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [bpizzuti] by michaell

Dec 11, 2012 (6:58 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Dec 11, 2012 5:58 am)
Seems like a lot of DCTs have been relatively disappointing.
 
+1. I test drove a VW CC a few months back with the DSG and I really didn't like it at all.

#9571 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [michaell] by ruking1

Dec 11, 2012 (8:07 am)

Replying to: michaell (Dec 11, 2012 6:58 am)
"+1. I test drove a VW CC a few months back with the DSG and I really didn't like it at all."...
 
By the way, that is a very common first impression to the DSG. The shift to a DSG was dictated by the "better mpg" variable. They are by far more efficient that any" slush box" A/T. It was a logical choice for over any slush box A/T VW was willing and/or both able to put into its model line.
 
DSG is probably the best of breed "A/T" across DSG, CVT, hybrid CVT, slush box, etc. Indeed the real revolution IS in the tweaking of the A/T across all oems and model lines. By most accounts, the results remain very mixed.
 
Even the DSG undergoes "revision". So for example, the latest DSG is a 7 speed and so called dry sump.
 
In fact, the recent record set by the Taylor's posting 84+ mpg on a tank full of ULSD (on a 4 door sedan VW Passat TDI, w EPA H rating of 43 mpg) was not even advertising a 6 speed manual transmission was used.
 
Yes, (but for the purposes of our discussion) did the availability of the 6 speed transmission "compel" you to buy the VW CC , specifically a VW CC with M/T?

#9572 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [ruking1] by michaell

Dec 11, 2012 (7:48 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 11, 2012 8:07 am)
Yes, (but for the purposes of our discussion did the availability) of the 6 speed transmission "compel" you to buy the VW CC , specifically a VW CC with M/T?
 
I did not buy either car ... the test drive was more 'educational' in nature. No plans to buy a car for a couple of years, but I do like seeing what's out there.
 
I'm trending towards a manual for my next car - GTI, Focus / Fiesta ST, CPO 1- or 3-series are all on the list.

#9573 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [michaell] by ruking1

Dec 11, 2012 (7:53 am)

Replying to: michaell (Dec 11, 2012 7:48 am)
Edmunds.com lists 218 examples of cars that sport an M/T as an option. Happy hunting and all the best.

#9574 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [ruking1] by bpizzuti

Dec 11, 2012 (8:05 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 11, 2012 7:53 am)
You have to be careful with the "option" part. If thats only a 5%-10% product mix, then realistically it's not available in M/T/

#9575 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [bpizzuti] by ruking1

Dec 11, 2012 (8:14 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Dec 11, 2012 8:05 am)
I would say yes and no. I have no real way of knowing if it (all 218 product offerings of M/T) is a 5 to 10% product mix and if it is and you know, one would know it or the dealer can "order" for you. Besides the only ones you/I would care about are the ones you would be inclined to drill down seriously on.

#9576 of 9919 Re: nissan GT-R.... automatic :| [ruking1] by michaell

Dec 11, 2012 (10:31 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 11, 2012 8:14 am)
Besides the only ones you/I would care about are the ones you would be inclined to drill down seriously on.
 
Cars that I've test driven over the past year or so with a manual transmission:
 
VW GTI
Volvo C30
Ford Mustang GT 5.0
Chevrolet Camaro SS
Chevrolet Sonic

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