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The Future Of The Manual Transmission

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#9499 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [ateixeira] by fintail

Oct 01, 2012 (11:37 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 01, 2012 11:34 am)
Sounds like the modern systems then. Maybe they have been refined. I haven't read anything bad about the BMW and Aprilia setups. I suspect if you roll off when shifting, it is smoother too - even my fintail's primitive non-torque convertor automatic shifts a lot better if you kind of ease it along like you would a manual. I've never driven one of the modern clutchless manual cars.
 
I am seriously thinking about working my way up to one of those bikes with clutchless upshifts if I take up the hobby. Less left hand cramps, and probably better shifts than I could do anyway.

#9500 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [fintail] by ateixeira

Oct 01, 2012 (11:42 am)

Replying to: fintail (Oct 01, 2012 11:37 am)
Once you're cruising you don't often shift, I'd just like to have a gear indicator like you asked for in the CCB thread.
 
The clutch was never a hassle.

#9501 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [ateixeira] by fintail

Oct 01, 2012 (11:50 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 01, 2012 11:42 am)
Maybe if I could have a clutch tuned to be light. I am just imagining a hellish time if I commuted here. I rode a few bikes, older and not well maintained. One clutch on a neglected early 90s Suzuki something just killed me.
 
I know Gixxers from 08+ have a gear indicator, I think some BMWs too. And you can get an aftermarket one, but it looks a little hokey.
 
Too much clutchwork in a car would annoy me too, although it seems easier in a car to just leave it in 2nd if speeds are low.

#9502 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [fintail] by ateixeira

Oct 01, 2012 (11:55 am)

Replying to: fintail (Oct 01, 2012 11:50 am)
Bikes are so light, you can get away with less shifting.
 
Every once in a while I crave riding again, but I had three (yes, 3) stolen from me at one point or another so I swore them off.

#9503 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [ateixeira] by fintail

Oct 01, 2012 (11:59 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 01, 2012 11:55 am)
Unless you also lack torque. I'd never keep a bike in an unsecured place. Too risky, especially in this economic climate.
 
I am OK now with the tiptronic in the E55, which I shift just to listen to the car. Maybe I am lazy. I shift the fintail more, just to squeeze out some more momentum out of an engine that has torque measured in inches rather than feet, along with second gear start.

#9504 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [fintail] by ateixeira

Oct 01, 2012 (12:25 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Oct 01, 2012 11:59 am)
Torque is an issue with smaller displacement engines, but shouldn't be with the bigger bikes you've mentioned. Even my XL250 could easily start in 2nd gear.
 
Theft - I accept blame for the first, 2nd was stolen with chains and lock and all, 3rd the thief removed a wheel in broad daylight under video surveillance and made off with everything but the wheel.
 
Twas not meant to be for me, I'm afraid.

#9505 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [habitat1] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Oct 01, 2012 (1:29 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 01, 2012 10:43 am)
Well you aren't really going to compare driving instructions on a race track with everyday drivers, are you?
 
For the record, I'm not all that fond of turbo cars either, but I am a realist and I can see which way the wind is blowing.
 
Diesels are great for low end grunt and are a perfect match for a turbo---marriage made in heaven, and (blasphemy!) really, turbo diesels should be mated to automatics for most drivers. It's bad enough so many drivers can't work a manual transmission properly on a gas car; they'd be twice as bad on a diesel.

#9506 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [Mr_Shiftright] by andys120

Oct 01, 2012 (2:07 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 01, 2012 1:29 pm)
Diesels are great for low end grunt and are a perfect match for a turbo---marriage made in heaven, and (blasphemy!) really, turbo diesels should be mated to automatics for most drivers
 
I noticed this when I drove a DSG-equipped VW Jetta TDI. The Turbo-diesel had so much torque it didn't matter what gear you were in. I decided I wouldn't lose anything if I let the computer pick the gears.

#9507 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [ateixeira] by fintail

Oct 01, 2012 (2:21 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 01, 2012 12:25 pm)
The Suzuki 250 cruiser style thing I used in MSF class (not easy for a taller rider) didn't have enough torque to make a 2nd gear start easy - I couldn't get it to work. Abused bike though, that couldn't have helped. I have a secured garage here...I'd chain the bike to the car with some kind of titanium carbon system, or even park it in my living room - I am single, so I can pull that off
 
Torque can overcome a lot of problems.

#9508 of 9932 Re: CAMPAGNOLO: The Future Of The Automatic Transmission [Mr_Shiftright] by habitat1

Oct 01, 2012 (2:47 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 01, 2012 1:29 pm)
Sure, I am going to compare myself to the Porsche instructors. After all, I went 2-2 plus 2 HBP in my adult baseball game yesterday. I also stole 2nd 3 times without getting caught. So I immediately came home and compared myself to Bryce Harper. Granted, my 17 year old daughter reminded me that he's only 2 years older than her and I'm 37 years older than him, but hey, we can all fantasize a little.
 
I agree that turbo and diesel are a great match.

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